On 10/29/18 6:30 PM, Fred Smith wrote:
On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 04:26:46PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
The big question is how will IBM look at it. RHEL is pretty much
unusable for newer software as RHEL is so bug riddled and out of
date.
Don't know why you think RHEL is bug riddled. it's stable and
will run for years.
Glad you asked. I make that statement from my experience with RHEL
and Clones.
What RHEL does is to make some minor tweaks and freeze a defunct
version of Fedora. It is by design, meaning purposefully, an
anti-Kaisen operating system for the reasons you described.
If you only run what is in the box, it will run and run
as your described.
Kaisen comes from Dr. Demming's work. It means "constant improvement".
Fedora is a Kaisen operating system. It just gets better and better.
For RHEL to be useful, you have to have run out-of-date software
that is compatible with RHEL's out-of-date nature. This means no
Kaisen. You'd better like what you got and not want anything
improved or your venture will come down around your ears.
Now I used RHEL and friends for around ten years or so (just guessing).
It nearly drove me insane. The straw that broke the camels was
when a bug in Osmo and RHEL deleted my business contacts. Mind
you, Osmo had fixed this, but they could not help me as RHEL was
so out of date. My mistake was thinking I could actually use RHEL
with current software.
Now as far as updates are concerned, I have seen Microsoft's updates
almost ruin businesses, especially their insane Windows 10 updates.
So I fully know what you speak of. I have not seen this is Fedora.
The worst I have seen is Red Shift get broken (they just fixed it).
I model new Fedora updates on a qemu-kvm virtual machine and
put it through its paces. Then up update my machines. When I am happy
with that, I move on to my the two Fedora servers at customer sites
that I maintain.
With Fedora, I have never had much of any issues with updates.
A few of RHEL's have brought tears to my eyes. 278 to 28 on
my main office computer took only 15 minutes (NVMe drives
are AWESOME!). A mechanical drive unit took about an hour.
As far as using RHEL, you use it like an appliance. Once you
get your stuff working on it, that is it. No changes. I might
add that you can do this with ANY operating system. You just
turn off the updates. You don't need RHEL for that. And I might
point out that an operating is "stable" if it runs the software you
want. Even Windows 10 is stable if all you run on it is Freecell.
Now as far as fixing things. RHEL indeed does fix things. Sometimes.
Well, my experience is SIX YEARS TO NEVER. And they do include "some"
things to their kludge kernels, but never the things you actually need.
With Fedora, bugs typically get fix in one to two months -- this is
absolutely awesome. The only exception is that they are dragging the
collective a***es on fixing usb with my wife's tablet:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1527735
Red Shift too a while too, but they worked on it constantly.
And speaking of "never" RHEL can only run an outdated, bug riddled
version of qemu-kvm. Drove me insane. For instance, Usb2 is five
times slower than native:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1224498
And Red Hat CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT IT as RHEL is so terribly out of date.
That would be
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1518387
AND! The irony of KVM being a Red Hat project and even their bugs fixes
will not run on RHEL has not escaped me.
By the way, the updates version of qemu-kvm runs beautifully on
Fedora. It is a charm to run.
So to summarize, my system is a Kaisen system. I am always working
on things and trying new things out to meet my needs and my
customer's needs. When I switched from RHEL to Fedora, I had a case
of the giggles for about three months. "Look at all the stuff that
has finally started working!" RHEL almost drove me insane.
And yes, I know, I was not using it as an appliance. My bad.
I am a Fedora fan and an RHEL anti-fan. For all the years
I suffered with RHEL and friends, I have nothing my derision.
-T
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