On 06/28/2018 10:01 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/28/2018 09:34 AM, Beartooth wrote: >> >> This has to be a Very Dumb Question, but what is the difference >> between a "display manager" and a "desktop manager"? > > It is confusing. The easiest way to think of it is the display manager > (called the "DM") is what is presented to you after the system boots up > and before your desktop is displayed. Typical DMs are LightDM, LXDM and > GDM. > > One of the display manager's jobs is to present the "greeter", which is > the graphical login screen you use to authenticate to the system. Once > you log in, the DM brings up your desired desktop (e.g. Xfce, Mate, > Gnome, etc.). > >> I'm trying to run MATE on F28, and succeeding to the extent that >> I do have a more or less MATE-like GUI, but only by grace of still having >> an F26 rescue kernel. (Two PCs without that kernel are unable to give any >> GUI at all. All I can do is keep a console open and run dnf upgrade once >> or twice a day, using an F28 rescue kernel, with reboots whenever any >> kernel is mentioned.) And this GUI does not afford me the panel applets I >> use most. > > Mate gets used a LOT on F28, and I've not heard of a lot of problems > with it. If it only runs using an F26 rescue kernel, then you have > other issues, typically with the display driver. It would be helpful > if we had a hardware list (run "lspci" as root) and whether you're > running X11 or Wayland as your display server (this is NOT the same as > your desktop manager). To find that out, try "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE" > as the user you log into the desktop. Also, I'm assuming this system > has been upgraded from F26 to F28. If that's the case, did you just > skip over F27 or did you do F26->F27->F28? Just a quick followup...I had an F28 VM here on my machine running Xfce. I just fired it up, did a # dnf groupinstall "MATE Desktop" logged out, logged back in and selected MATE as the desktop to start (all using LightDM). Worked fine. >> In quest of better, I've been experimenting with various apps >> called *dm. Most do better than lightdm (which I started with), but not >> yet a whole lot better. > > Any of the DMs should let you use Mate. Let's find out why your system > is misbehaving with anything other than an F26 kernel. That's the first > thing to sort out. > >> Some will say I oughtn't to run Fedora at all, but at this point >> my accumulated ignorance has reached a level where any other distro would >> tie me up in even more knots. > > Let's get this sorted out. My first guess is that something's wrong with > the way the system upgraded. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer, AllDigital ricks@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx - - AIM/Skype: therps2 ICQ: 226437340 Yahoo: origrps2 - - - - If it's stupid and it works...it ain't stupid! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/HSTLR5LONFMN3QGNG6W2YJCJR5YU22JW/
