This has to be a Very Dumb Question, but what is the difference between a "display manager" and a "desktop manager"? I'm trying to run MATE on F28, and succeeding to the extent that I do have a more or less MATE-like GUI, but only by grace of still having an F26 rescue kernel. (Two PCs without that kernel are unable to give any GUI at all. All I can do is keep a console open and run dnf upgrade once or twice a day, using an F28 rescue kernel, with reboots whenever any kernel is mentioned.) And this GUI does not afford me the panel applets I use most. In quest of better, I've been experimenting with various apps called *dm. Most do better than lightdm (which I started with), but not yet a whole lot better. Some will say I oughtn't to run Fedora at all, but at this point my accumulated ignorance has reached a level where any other distro would tie me up in even more knots. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/F7NX7I4DHX4EFKD2HJUJYY4LLKBNOP5K/