On 06/02/18 21:22, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2018-06-02 at 20:03 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 06/02/18 17:09, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 21:45 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>>> On 06/01/2018 09:32 PM, John Morris wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 2018-06-01 at 11:30 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You did online updates? This is the reason why offline updates is the >>>>>> default now, because doing updates without a reboot can cause weird >>>>>> situations like this. >>>>> Ok, you maniacs finally did it, you made a Linux suck as hard as >>>>> Windows. I'm out. >>>> Seriously? This discussion comes up regularly. In most cases online >>>> updates work, but sometimes there are issues. Read the past threads for >>>> more info, but it's an extremely hard problem to make it always work for >>>> very obvious reasons when you think about what's happening. >>> I rely on tracer (using the dnf plugin) to tell me when I need to >>> reboot. Are you saying this is unreliable? >>> >> Where did Sam say anything about tracer? > He didn't. I merely state that it it's useful to know when a reboot is > necessary and when it isn't, which is the difference between online and > offline updates. I see. Then I'm confused as to your question. What are you asking about reliability or what do you think Sam is suggesting is unreliable? > >> FWIW, I don't use the tracer dnf plugin since I use the nVidia drivers from rpmfusion >> and akmods. It may have been improved. But when I was using it and a kernel update >> happened the tracer process would keep the rpmdb locked so when the nVidia mods were >> compiled they failed to install. > I haven't had problems but I don't use the Nvidia drivers now. Back > when I did use them I also had locking issues, though I never > associated them with tracer specifically. > > I took the time and effort to prove, at least to myself, that the asynchronous or independent nature of the akmod process and the tracer-plugin could cause problems. It was very variable since it depended on the number and nature of the updates. -- Conjecture is just a conclusion based on incomplete information. It isn't a fact.
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