I'm running F27, fully updated; but my query has to do with a phenomenon I've been noticing for years. It's probably innocuous, but I'd be glad of reassurance about that. Let me say in advance that I realize any application I launch may itself launch others, without telling me; and I'm fine with that. I use very little of KDE; when trying to do a lean fresh install, I look only for Konqueror and k3b. But dnf soon begins to list dozens of KDE apps as upgrades. Something very similar occurs with LibreOffice: I install only the word processor, but dnf pulls in lots of applications I have no use (that I know of) for. Today I got a sidelight on this habit. I had somehow (certainly not by any conscious decision of mine) managed to install speech- dispatcher, and tried to remove it. Dnf proposed to take away most of KDE along with it, including k3b and Konqueror. Is incruftation a word? Do I really use a couple hundred applications all the time, unconsciously? Do the security gurux no longer advise us to make lean installs? -- Beartooth Implacable, alive and functional WEST of the Divide (OK, OK, the Eastern Divide; better than Babylon-on-Potomac!) http://www.dgif.state.va.us/wildlife/vbwt/loop.asp?trail=2&loop=MED _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx