On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 08:10:55PM -0600, jd1008 wrote: > I think redhat or the moderators are simply getting out of line > trying to shut up someone for criticizing the direction Fedora is > taking. If the list is ONLY for people to seek help with problems > resolution, THEN, PLEASE STATE SO IN THE PURPOSE OF THIS LIST - We actually have almost exactly this. Take a look at <https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users>, linked in the bottom of every message. It says: This list provides community assistance, encouragement, and advice for Fedora users. Topics outside of that are generally not appropriate for this list. Please keep in mind that there are many thousands of subscribers and do your best to remain on-topic and courteous. And please also read <https://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct>, also linked at the bottom of every message. I won't quote it here, but it has some nice suggestions about handling disagreements. Discussion about the direction of the distribution is not explicitly called out as banned, but as you can see, it's clearly not the purpose of this list. I didn't write that description, but I expect that it's not called out as banned because I don't know of any _actual_ interest in banning or "censoring" discussion. The fact, though, is that this list isn't a good place for that because — largely because the tone is so often negative — it's not a forum that decision-makers can actually follow and get good feedback from. Everything you are saying about developer and user input being crucial to the project is completely true, but some of your post seems to be based around the idea that decisions in Fedora should be made by polling. That isn't how we do it, but the process is much more democratic than what it seems to me that you're describing. Technical decisions, including the adoption of systemd and anything further we do with it, are made by FESCo, the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee, which is entirely elected by Fedora users and contributors. Roles on this committee are open to any Fedora packager. If you think we're doing a bad job, I encourage you to stand for election, or find and support someone who represents your views. (FESCo elections happen shortly after every Fedora release.) Overall strategic direction for the project is set by the Fedora Project Board, which consists of appointed and elected members. Right now, most of the appointed members are actually not Red Hat employees. The board hasn't been very active of late, and if I remember right, wasn't even involved in the systemd decision. Based on community input, including a session at Flock last month and list discussion afterwards, we're likely to make some reforms to encourage a more active board with better direct connection to Fedora developers in different areas, but representative leadership and governance are going to be key no matter what. If you have ideas for how user and developer feedback can be better taken into account, I'd love to hear them. However, I don't think "people should be free to call each other names!" is ever going to be part of it. That's not censorship — it is upholding our core value of friendship. (See <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations>, if you aren't familiar.) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
