Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 18:18:46 +0200 > lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >> > On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 09:52:24 +0200 >> > lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > >> >> Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >> >> >> > output. With systemd/journald, ALL output is saved and easy to >> >> > query. >> >> >> >> How do you query this output? I just look at the logfile, and when >> >> it's not there, I never see it. What's the advantage of hiding >> >> output like that? >> > >> > journalctl -u servicename >> > >> > (I usually add -b which gives you messages only since last boot). >> >> That doesn't make sense. What if you're trying to solve a problem, >> suspecting a particular service, and the problem is somewhere else? >> You'd never see the relevant messages because they remain hidden. > > journalctl | grep whatever > > or > > journalctl | less > > and page though things? You can probably do that, but 'less /var/log/syslog' is easier. >> You'd have to browse all messages, and an ordinary logfile is >> perfectly suited for that. What's the advantage of using an >> unreadable format and added complexity supposed to be? > > It lets you do things like easily grep the messages from just the last > boot, or isolate things from particular services, export it in other > formats, lets you easily log from containers or user space items. I've never had trouble looking at the logs. Now I do because I might only see part of the messages. > Anyhow, it sounds like you are pretty firmly set in your dislike for > systemd/journald. Not sure continued discussion will change your mind > any... What I don't like is when things are made more complicated than they need to be. Where is the advantage of systemd to me, and why would it be needed? Then read the links the OP provided ... It's like pulseaudio. It has no advantages for me and only disadvantages. It's awfully complicated and cryptic. If you do need features it offers, it's nice to have, yet that doesn't mean that everyone should be forced to use it. It took until F19 until it worked. It took several times asking on this list since F17 to finally get rid of it. That may show you how "simple" it is. -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
