On Sat, 05 Jul 2014 18:10:45 -0700 David Benfell <benfell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: ...snip... > Then, and only then, did I discover there was even a > network-online.target. Please understand, the time when things are > broken is not the time when I > want to explore rat holes. As it turned out, this *wasn't* a rat > hole, but yet an additional layer of complexity. > > A layer of complexity, by the way, whose purpose has yet to be > explained, and which rests on top of all the other complexity that > others in this thread have complained about. Were you tying your services to specific IP addresses? I'm curious why this would have changed for you folks so recently. Was this a bug with systemd-208-19.fc20? > Which returns us back--and I hope I'm recalling the initial posting > in this thread correctly--to the beginning of this thread. Do we > really need this complexity for the sake of a few seconds? No. We need it for all the other reasons. Lennarts blog host seems to be having some problem, but from google cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rm-N94-I044J:0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Theres tons and tons of things that systemd does well that there was no way to do in the sysvinit world. > But there's something more insidious about this as well. > > The mantra I learned as a system administrator was, if it ain't > broken, don't fix it. The message I'm getting from this thread, when > people point out (correctly, as far as I know) that all the > distributions are going for the latest greatest shiny thing, is that > they're abandoning that mantra. sysvinit was broken and couldn't do lots of things that modern distros wanted to do. kevin
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