On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:18 PM, lee <lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "Powell, Michael" <Michael_Powell@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: > >>> Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark about >>> what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking away choices >>> limits the use of the software to the point where it eventually becomes >>> unusable. >>> >>> Good design, clarity, good documentation and letting the user know what >>> choices there are are required when you want to achieve ease of use. >> >> I don't think the installer is as bad as most people on this list are >> complaining about; it's certainly not leaving any users in the dark. > > It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is > somehow possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal > install. It leaves you in the dark about what exactly happens when you > do the partitioning and with trying to figure out how get the > partitioning you want. > > Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a > very simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor > encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions > outside the installer. There was no way to do it with the installer, it > kept saying there isn`t enough room despite there was plenty, and it did > what it wanted rather than what I wanted. Please post the bugzilla URL. Most of the size reporting problems like this are non-contiguous sections of free space being added up and reported as Available space; but the request is for a partition size greater than the largest contiguously available space. > > It was seriously awful. It would have taken 10--15 minutes with the > Debian installer. It isn't going to get better complaining about it on this list. Do you have bugzilla IDs, and if so post them. If not, then how do you expect the behavior to get any better? Magic? > >> A large majority of the information from the older installer is still >> there, it's just up to the user to seek it out. > > I don`t know anything about "the older installer" or how to seek out > information about it; I didn`t even know that there is an "older > installer". The first Fedora installer I used was the one with F17. Fedora 17 is the old installer. Fedora 18 begins the new installer. > I don`t know what you mean. The Debian installer got more options and > some more clarity which was an improvement. Otherwise it didn`t change, > you just do country and keyboard setup --- which is missing in Fedoras > installer, there was no way to tell it that I have a German keyboard --- > network setup if you don`t use DHCP, partitioning, a bit of package > selection if you want to, and then it installs. Fedora 18, 19 and 20 have a keyboard spoke in the installer which is how you tell it you want to use a German keyboard layout. > It`s easy and straightforward as it used to be for the last twenty > years, and I never had trouble using it. Why suddenly make installing > such a PITA like Fedoras installer does? Please don't ask silly questions that propose the intended design goal was to piss users off, it's irritating. Chris Murphy -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
