Hi Chris, On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:55:46PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Jan 1, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > More to the point, I find it counter productive to _remove_ important > > debugging resources/tools irrespective of the technical proficiency of > > the user of the system. > > I switched to journalctl when it first appeared as non-persistent > logging, by creating /var/log/journal to make it persistent, and > disabled rsyslog. I'm not a particularly technical user, I prefer the > parsing options in the journal rather than having to look at different > files or even different commands. > You misunderstood me. I was questioning the decision to remove an MTA on a default install. The missing "debuging resource/tool" in this case is system mail, not journalctl. Personally, I do not like journalctl. I understand the motivation behind it, I even see some benefits of an unified logging facility but the way this has been carried out seems a bit unfriendly to me. Using journalctl requires a much more intimate knowledge of the system than the old "view/grep /var/log/ files" method. I also notice performance problems when the journal is big and the documentation is incredibly obscure. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
