+1 I tried both, an upgrade of Fedora17 using fed-up as well as a fresh install. Beside the brain-dead installer, both times my system was severely unuseable. Considering the experience on even farily common hardware I probably won't give F18 another try and wait for F19, hoping it will be F18-done-right. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org