On 07/04/2012 09:06 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Mateusz Marzantowicz > <mmarzantowicz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Java? This fat and ugly pig? Must be a joke. Gnome should focus on C/C++ >> with Vala and Python as supporting languages. > > Yeah, such a fat and ugly pig that great software like VOIP app Jitsi > (www.jitsi.org) uses it, Vuze P2P uses it, Jdownloader uses it, like > Art of Illusion 3D renderer and Sweet Home 3D uses it > http://www.sweethome3d.com/index.jsp > > With OpenJDK7 being GPL and ubiquitous on Linux distros, it's hard to > make a case for NOT using it, specially when non-Java languages can > use it (Jython, JRuby, xRuby, NetRexx, Jabaco...). > > If you speak out of ignorance and prejudice, it can also be said that > C/C++ brought us pigs like KDE 4.x which can use up to 500 MB of ram. Speaking of RAM, I try to avoid Java-based desktop applications like the plague because almost every single one of them seems to hog up a minimum of 100MB (and usually more) of RAM immediately. Out of curiosity, I tried installing one of the examples you mentioned and Vuze gobbled up 160 megabytes instantly which is completely unacceptable for a torrent client. That might not sound like a lot nowadays, but it adds up surprisingly quickly with "just" 4 gigabytes of memory. (In addition, most Java apps insist on using hideous UI toolkits like Swing instead of Qt or SWT.) -- Veeti P. - not a fan of the language either -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
