On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote: > Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same > post > it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information It gets even more boring when posters can't be bothered to trim the stuff they're quoting. If quotes were limited to only material being directly commented on, the scrolling issue would mostly go away. Two additional comments on this meme: 1) Business mail top-posts and quotes everything because that's the way Outlook works and to a significant percentage of business users "Outlook"and "Email" are synonyms. The single advantage to doing it this way is that you can shovel over an entire conversation to a co-worker in one Forward, and they get to see the whole context. Of course a properly managed archiving system wouldn't need that, but then you'd have to have competent system administrators, which apparently is too much to ask. 2) This list, and others under the Fedora banner, has a set of Guidelines, referenced in the footer of *every single message*. How many list members have read them? How many have noticed http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message where it says: Place each part of your reply after the text it addresses (i.e., NO Top-Posting, please see "Wikipedia - Top Posting" and links therein for more on this). Now of course these are stated as "guidelines", because no-one is going to ban you from the list except in extreme cases, but they still have the backing of this community. When someone decides to ignore them, it says a lot about what they think of the rest of us (and for my part that plays a part in determining whether I want to help them with their problem.) If people think the Guidelines need updating, make a proposal to change them and we can discuss it, don't just pretend they don't exist. poc -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org