On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 21:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >You are not in any position to give personal advice without it coming > >across in a manner that you I am sure you would not want to purposefully > >aim for. Personal commentary like this doesn't have any place in this > >discussion so let's try to avoid it, okay? > > Would you perhaps need a ladder to reach the saddle of that horse? Below you apologize for personal offenses yet make yet another one. Can you understand how your apology doesn't come across as sincere? > >If you disagree with a design for something implemented in Fedora, here > >are some examples of inappropriate reactions (all witnessed in this > >thread unfortunately): > > > >1 - Rant that nobody asked for YOUR opinion, especially when feedback > >was actually solicited over a period of several months across several > >forums that are heavily frequented by Fedora users and contributors > >alike. > > A few of said users maybe, but by not copying to this list, you probably > bypassed, and here I'm guessing without even a scientific basis here, 85% of > the everyday users. What is an "everyday user"? Where do you get the '85%' figure from? Do you seriously believe that 85% of Fedora users are subscribed to this mailing list? That's ~1,300,000 (~1.3 million) users on this mailing list. Really? Does mailman even scale that mough? (~1.3 million = 85% of the ~1.6 million users of Fedora 9 - Fedora 12 according to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics ) > >2 - Spread conspiracy theories about how the design took place in > >secret, when the design actually took place in an open and transparent > >manner, with frequent updates to the design posted over a period of > >months. > > As I am not subscribed to the lists you maintain were the proper ones for > web design, it was, as far as we could see, done in secret. See #1. > > >If you pay attention to the emails I've written on this thread, I've not > >taken offense at anyone's opinion of the website. Where I have taken > >offense is where I've been personally insulted, my skills as a designer > >and commitment to Fedora and its community have been questioned, and > >where I was told that I am full of 'BS'. > > > >I would *LOVE* to hear more actual feedback on the website and its > >design - we've been asking for it for months. This thread shows clearly > >that this list is apparently not a great place to get it - it makes it > >clear that asking for feedback on this particular list in the first > >place would have been a bad idea. > > > I have to disagree milady. Don't call me "milady" > > By appearing to have a heavy disdain for the opinions of the (apparently > unwashed in your opinion) fedora _users_. We are just the rabble I guess. > We are not qualified to comment one way or the other. As you see it... Where's the disdain? ~m -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
