On Sat, 2009-07-04 at 04:47 +0200, gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx wrote: > If there's anybody here who's in charge of Fedora's mailing lists, I must > say that the way you're dealing with susbscribers seems dishonest. > > When I subscribed, I was asked for a user name. This user name appears > nowhere, just my email address. It seems the user name is just a way to > make you believe that your email won't be divulged. Since I don't sleep > well at all these days, I'm quite often absent-minded. So, I went back to > Fedora's subscription interface in Firefox and, to my surprise, saw that > Firefox remembered exactly what I had entered, my user name: LuckyDay. > Well, fortunately, the support here is the best I've ever seen on any > Linux group. Otherwise, I might not have considered the day so lucky :) I am no sure what is bothering you but if you look at the Fedora-list mail every post contains the name of the poster except yours. I odn't know why that is. I assume you could enter any name and it would appear. If spam is the problem employ spam filters. Using spamassassin in evolution very qwuickly I receive no spam in any folder except my junk folder. > > I don't know what's the reason for this, but it doesn't seem like a > professional attitude to me. > > Certainly, nowhere do you see in plain english that your email address > will be made public. Being used to dealing with forums, I made sure to use > another address that the one at my provider, but is it any better? Now, > it's Valentin Lacambre, who offers his email service for free, who will > have to deal with the problem of maintaining his black list tip top. > > Of course, we all know that replacing the @ by (at) is no discouragement > to spammers. A simple script can do the replacement and, when things get > too complicated, there apparently are people in India who can do a more > custum job for very cheap. > > Besides, what's the advantage of all those shenanigans to Red Hat? If I > wanted to spam this group, I'd open an account at Altern, from there one > at Google, from there, one at Yahoo, from there, one at Altern, from there > one at Google, 10 times around. It would take months before all the > addresses are exhausted. > > What would make sense, is asking people to subscribe from an address that > correspond to an ISP. Even people who have their own mail server have a > few addresses at their ISP. And even those servers could be accepted as > they relate to the one from their ISP. Establishing a domain name for > spamming is not very efficient either. > > I'm not much of a techie, you already know that, but it seems to me that > the only way to prevent spamming is to prevent people from registering > from email service providers such as Google, Yahoo... or Altern, where it > takes only minutes to register, then bye-bye. > > But this is now permitted and there is...as far as I can see, not that > much spam. So, once again, why all those shenanigans? > > > Back to the suggestions to solve my problem in real time. > > It was suggested that I use Gmane. My new server is eternal-september.org > (Formerly Motzarella.) The gmane groups are not available. I wrote to > Wolfgang, whose's always doing his best to offer prime quality service... > and never sent the email. > > With all his eternal-september users, the guy is busy. He surely knows > about Gmane and, being an open-source user himself, if he doesn't offer > Gmane, there must be a good reason for it. > > One I can think of is that many of his users are loonies, no-life spammers > and, when they see the gmane groups, it's very likely that some of them > will see as a challenge to taunt all those clever geeks. > > Another solution, if I understood well, would be to delete on arrival all > emails coming from Fedora lists at Altern and reading/posting from my > provider. (I hope I don't have to read at Altern and copy/paste at my > provider to answer! That would be a pain too.) I checked and it seems that > Evolution, Fedora's default email client for GNOME, permits threading. > > My problem, is setting it to deal with Fedora/Red Hat servers, which was > done automagically at Altern but, when I send, I can't see the server I'm > sending to in the interface and there's a sleuth of server addresses at > Red Hat in the incoming headers, none of which have pop in them. I know > it's not necessary, but is the first on the list the one to use? > > I had my fair share of trial and error these days. So, what should be my > settings for pop and smtp, if those are the protocols used? If I use > gilpel (at) altern org as my username and add my password, will Red Hat > servers really see no diffrence whether I'm posting from Altern or my > provider? Will emails be sent to Altern to check if I'm still using it as > my email service provider? > > I hope maintainers of this list won't object to a clear answer to those > questions... > -- ======================================================================= Two wrights don't make a rong, they make an airplane. Or bicycles. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
