If there's anybody here who's in charge of Fedora's mailing lists, I must say that the way you're dealing with susbscribers seems dishonest. When I subscribed, I was asked for a user name. This user name appears nowhere, just my email address. It seems the user name is just a way to make you believe that your email won't be divulged. Since I don't sleep well at all these days, I'm quite often absent-minded. So, I went back to Fedora's subscription interface in Firefox and, to my surprise, saw that Firefox remembered exactly what I had entered, my user name: LuckyDay. Well, fortunately, the support here is the best I've ever seen on any Linux group. Otherwise, I might not have considered the day so lucky :) I don't know what's the reason for this, but it doesn't seem like a professional attitude to me. Certainly, nowhere do you see in plain english that your email address will be made public. Being used to dealing with forums, I made sure to use another address that the one at my provider, but is it any better? Now, it's Valentin Lacambre, who offers his email service for free, who will have to deal with the problem of maintaining his black list tip top. Of course, we all know that replacing the @ by (at) is no discouragement to spammers. A simple script can do the replacement and, when things get too complicated, there apparently are people in India who can do a more custum job for very cheap. Besides, what's the advantage of all those shenanigans to Red Hat? If I wanted to spam this group, I'd open an account at Altern, from there one at Google, from there, one at Yahoo, from there, one at Altern, from there one at Google, 10 times around. It would take months before all the addresses are exhausted. What would make sense, is asking people to subscribe from an address that correspond to an ISP. Even people who have their own mail server have a few addresses at their ISP. And even those servers could be accepted as they relate to the one from their ISP. Establishing a domain name for spamming is not very efficient either. I'm not much of a techie, you already know that, but it seems to me that the only way to prevent spamming is to prevent people from registering from email service providers such as Google, Yahoo... or Altern, where it takes only minutes to register, then bye-bye. But this is now permitted and there is...as far as I can see, not that much spam. So, once again, why all those shenanigans? Back to the suggestions to solve my problem in real time. It was suggested that I use Gmane. My new server is eternal-september.org (Formerly Motzarella.) The gmane groups are not available. I wrote to Wolfgang, whose's always doing his best to offer prime quality service... and never sent the email. With all his eternal-september users, the guy is busy. He surely knows about Gmane and, being an open-source user himself, if he doesn't offer Gmane, there must be a good reason for it. One I can think of is that many of his users are loonies, no-life spammers and, when they see the gmane groups, it's very likely that some of them will see as a challenge to taunt all those clever geeks. Another solution, if I understood well, would be to delete on arrival all emails coming from Fedora lists at Altern and reading/posting from my provider. (I hope I don't have to read at Altern and copy/paste at my provider to answer! That would be a pain too.) I checked and it seems that Evolution, Fedora's default email client for GNOME, permits threading. My problem, is setting it to deal with Fedora/Red Hat servers, which was done automagically at Altern but, when I send, I can't see the server I'm sending to in the interface and there's a sleuth of server addresses at Red Hat in the incoming headers, none of which have pop in them. I know it's not necessary, but is the first on the list the one to use? I had my fair share of trial and error these days. So, what should be my settings for pop and smtp, if those are the protocols used? If I use gilpel (at) altern org as my username and add my password, will Red Hat servers really see no diffrence whether I'm posting from Altern or my provider? Will emails be sent to Altern to check if I'm still using it as my email service provider? I hope maintainers of this list won't object to a clear answer to those questions... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
