Re: Dealing with Fedora's mailing list

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On Sat, Jul 04, 2009 at 04:47:49 +0200,
  gilpel@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> If there's anybody here who's in charge of Fedora's mailing lists, I must
> say that the way you're dealing with susbscribers seems dishonest.
> 
> When I subscribed, I was asked for a user name. This user name appears
> nowhere, just my email address. It seems the user name is just a way to
> make you believe that your email won't be divulged. Since I don't sleep
> well at all these days, I'm quite often absent-minded. So, I went back to
> Fedora's subscription interface in Firefox and, to my surprise, saw that
> Firefox remembered exactly what I had entered, my user name: LuckyDay.
> Well, fortunately, the support here is the best I've ever seen on any
> Linux group. Otherwise, I might not have considered the day so lucky :)
> 
> I don't know what's the reason for this, but it doesn't seem like a
> professional attitude to me.

This is a standard mailman interface. The names are visible to the people
who manage the list.

> Certainly, nowhere do you see in plain english that your email address
> will be made public. Being used to dealing with forums, I made sure to use

If you send email to a public email list, then it's public. People do things
to try to keep the email from some of the automated address harvestors, but
if it's a big enough list it will be worthwhile for spammers to subscribe
and harvest addresses.

> What would make sense, is asking people to subscribe from an address that
> correspond to an ISP. Even people who have their own mail server have a
> few addresses at their ISP. And even those servers could be accepted as

I don't. They provide me with a real network connection and nothing else.
That's the way I like it.

> they relate to the one from their ISP. Establishing a domain name for
> spamming is not very efficient either.
> 
> I'm not much of a techie, you already know that, but it seems to me that
> the only way to prevent spamming is to prevent people from registering
> from email service providers such as Google, Yahoo... or Altern, where it
> takes only minutes to register, then bye-bye.
> 
> But this is now permitted and there is...as far as I can see, not that
> much spam. So, once again, why all those shenanigans?

I think you are under the mistaken impression that asking for a name is
an antispam feature. It's not. It is to help out people managing lists.
I doubt Fedora uses this feature at all, but it is useful to some people
who use mailman.

> I had my fair share of trial and error these days. So, what should be my
> settings for pop and smtp, if those are the protocols used? If I use
> gilpel (at) altern org as my username and add my password, will Red Hat
> servers really see no diffrence whether I'm posting from Altern or my
> provider? Will emails be sent to Altern to check if I'm still using it as
> my email service provider?

mailman uses the envelope sender address to determine if you are subscribed
or not.

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