On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 08:13:54AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 05:06:01AM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > > And there are no shady backroom deals involved that might grant rights > > to Fedora that do not necessarily apply to Fedora's downstreams? > > There are no backroom deals, shady or otherwise. We don't do things > like that. Thanks, Matthew. That's good to hear. > > > I certainly wouldn't have felt the need to ask something like this a few > > years ago, but nowadays I guess everything is possible. > > Lars, I'm curious. What has happened that has made you lose trust? While I like Josh's interpretation of the world continuing to go insane, there's indeed a general perception on my part that things once considered foundational to Fedora no longer are. The handling of so-called "3rd party software" (proprietary software, that is) is one thing I consider especially creepy. If last month's proposal goes through, Fedora's package management tools will soon advertise the installation of software that is accompanied by fierce anti-reverse engineering terms and where the act of trying to understand the inner workings of the software is subject to draconian DMCA-like legislation in most parts of the world. That's a big thing and not something you'd ever expect from the "old" Fedora. A part of the community seems hell-bent on getting some of the conveniences afforded by proprietary software into Fedora. That was always the case, more or less, and is actually a good thing that can make Fedora better. Lately though, my perception is that it became more acceptable to take shortcuts instead of doing the hard work to arrive at a proper solution. Rather than investing lots of work to implement solid free hardware drivers, why not just ship the vendor driver? Packaging software is hard, just go and dump your dev environment into a Flatpak! A bit pointed perhaps, but I guess you know what I mean. That, together with an attitude shown on mailing lists which I don't think is that badly mischaracterized by "if it's not Workstation, fsck them", led me to the point where I was no longer ready to categorically rule out the possibility that in the case of MP3 support, too, a Workstation-specific solution might be deemed acceptable. Still unlikely, but not totally impossible, like a few years ago. Thanks, Lars _______________________________________________ legal mailing list -- legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to legal-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
