On Thursday 19 October 2006 11:44, Matthew Miller wrote: > When Jesse Keating worked at Pogo, that was largely true, but with his > duties at RH and with his new kid, it doesn't seem to be the case anymore. > I'm sure this is not Jesse's fault -- there needs to be commitment from > above, and that's clearly not the case. > > I think this is really unfortunate, because it makes a big gap in the > Fedora ecosystem. This will be largely filled by migration to RHEL-rebuild > distros like CentOS, which is well and good (and particularly painless from > the end-user point of few) but bad for Fedora. > > Without a functioning lifespan of over a year, Fedora is only practically > useful as an enthusiast, bleeding-edge distro. That's only supposed to be > _part_ of its mission. Here is what I think can happen. A) Kill off RHL now. Stop trying to do stuff there when we just don't have the man power or the volunteers. B) Move to using Extras infrastructure for building packages. They're ready for us for FC3 and FC4. C) Move to Core style updates process. Spin a possible update, toss it in -testing. If nobody says boo after a period of time, release the darn thing. If somebody finds it to be broken, fix it and resubmit. Somewhere in there convince Luke Macken to do the work to get a Fedora Update tool available for use externally that does the boring stuff like generate the email with the checksums and with the subpackage list and all that boring stuff. It could even handle moving the bug to 'MODIFIED' when it goes in updates-testing, and finally to CLOSED when it goes to release. Then it would be easier to get people to contribute, as they'd just be doing things like checking out a package module, copying a patch from somewhere, commit, build. That would help a lot. Somebody more "senior" in the project would fiddle with the tool to prepare the update, and do the sign+push. I honestly think that doing these things is the only way that Legacy will survive. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub)
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