On Thursday 19 October 2006 12:00, Jesse Keating wrote: >On Thursday 19 October 2006 11:44, Matthew Miller wrote: >> When Jesse Keating worked at Pogo, that was largely true, but with his >> duties at RH and with his new kid, it doesn't seem to be the case >> anymore. I'm sure this is not Jesse's fault -- there needs to be >> commitment from above, and that's clearly not the case. >> >> I think this is really unfortunate, because it makes a big gap in the >> Fedora ecosystem. This will be largely filled by migration to >> RHEL-rebuild distros like CentOS, which is well and good (and >> particularly painless from the end-user point of few) but bad for >> Fedora. >> >> Without a functioning lifespan of over a year, Fedora is only >> practically useful as an enthusiast, bleeding-edge distro. That's only >> supposed to be _part_ of its mission. > >Here is what I think can happen. > >A) Kill off RHL now. Stop trying to do stuff there when we just don't > have the man power or the volunteers. > >B) Move to using Extras infrastructure for building packages. They're > ready for us for FC3 and FC4. > >C) Move to Core style updates process. Spin a possible update, toss it >in -testing. If nobody says boo after a period of time, release the darn >thing. If somebody finds it to be broken, fix it and resubmit. > >Somewhere in there convince Luke Macken to do the work to get a Fedora > Update tool available for use externally that does the boring stuff like > generate the email with the checksums and with the subpackage list and > all that boring stuff. It could even handle moving the bug to > 'MODIFIED' when it goes in updates-testing, and finally to CLOSED when > it goes to release. Then it would be easier to get people to > contribute, as they'd just be doing things like checking out a package > module, copying a patch from somewhere, commit, build. That would help > a lot. Somebody more "senior" in the project would fiddle with the tool > to prepare the update, and do the sign+push. > >I honestly think that doing these things is the only way that Legacy will >survive. You make too much sense for this to ever happen, Jesse, and you know it. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2006 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved. -- fedora-legacy-list mailing list fedora-legacy-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-legacy-list
