It's been a while since we gave an overview of the kernel plans for Fedora, so I thought I'd send a brief update on what we're doing, where we're headed, and why. Rawhide: Rawhide is basically trucking along as it normally does, tracking the latest upstream Linus tree. This will continue for the forseeable future, so there really are no surprises here. At the moment, it is at 3.1-rc4 and overall seems fairly stable. There is an ext4 lockdep trace that quite a few people have hit, but a fix has been posted upstream and should be included in the next build. F16: The F16 Alpha released with the first stable release of the 3.0 kernel, but it has since transitioned to the 3.1 pre-release kernels. The plan for the final release is to ship 3.1 final (or the latest stable release of it), but there wasn't time to get that into the Alpha. Currently, we're at 3.1-rc4, which means we're synced with rawhide. This will continue until 3.1 final is released. The F16 kernels also still have the debug options enabled. We've found that testing of the rawhide kernel is somewhat limited, and we don't get many reports aginst that. Most of the lockdep issues or other bugs found in the 3.1 kernel so far have come from people running F16, so this is paying off in terms of getting the kernel debugged and fixed before the final release. It does have the side-effect of introducing a performance penalty in some cases, but we'd rather get the bugs fixed first. The debug options will be disabled and we'll move to a release kernel once 3.1 final is released and built. F15: F15 has now moved to the 2.6.40 kernel. If you haven't been paying attention lately, you'll probably be saying "wait... there is no 2.6.40 upstream" and you would be right. So Fedora's 2.6.40 is really the 3.0 upstream kernel, "rebranded" to follow the 2.6.x numbering scheme. This was done to avoid userspace incompatibilities with the 3.x numbering scheme for packages that were either tightly coupled to kernel version and/or, uh, doing things a bit wrongly. Most of those packages have been fixed in f16 at this point. We're at the equivalent of the 3.0.4 stable release in updates-testing and that should be moving to updates relatively soon. F14: Sigh. F14 is still on the 2.6.35.x longterm kernel, currently at 2.6.35.14. This is both good and bad. Good in that it's the oldest supported release, and we've got somewhat of a known quantity with this kernel at this point. Bad because the upstream stable branch is updated fairly infrequently and seems to be somewhat in zombie state. We've spent the last week or so trying to plow through the F14 bugzilla backlog. This has sort of paid off by clearing out a bunch of stale bugs, duplicates, and things that were fixed and never closed. At the moment, we're under 300 bugs which isn't great but is much improved overall. Going forward, we're at sort of an impasse. The two most likely options are staying on 2.6.35.x, or moving to 2.6.40 as F15 did. We know that there are areas where 2.6.35.x is just broken or insufficient (USB 3 support, various suspend/resume issues) that might be improved in 2.6.40 but that comes with the risk of hitting userspace interaction bugs. We're keeping an eye on this and trying to come up with the best all around decision, but it is not an easy choice. In the meantime, if you are having lots of issues with F14, we strongly you to upgrade to F15. (Yes, we are aware of the fact that some people want to stick with F14 to avoid Gnome3. That's outside of the scope of the kernel and we really don't want to discuss it here.) So there's a brief overview of the kernel happenings going on in Fedora. If you have questions, feel free to shoot an email to the fedora kernel list! josh _______________________________________________ kernel mailing list kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kernel
