On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 8:19 AM Patrick Boutilier <boutilpj@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On 5/9/21 9:08 AM, Patrick Boutilier wrote: > > On 5/6/21 4:06 PM, Tomáš Trnka wrote: > >> Hello everyone, > >> > >> After updating to F34, I was unpleasantly surprised by the new Plasma > >> update > >> notifier (plasma-discover-notifier). Even though the previous > >> plasma-pk-updates > >> thing had its quirks and Apper also wasn't the most featureful of package > >> managers, I still ran into a handful of issues with Discover that make it > >> pretty much useless for me: > >> > >> – There seems to be no way to select which updates to install. All I > >> can see > >> is a list of available updates with a button to install all of them, > >> but no > >> way to pick and choose a subset. (Yes, I could use commandline DNF with a > >> whole bunch of "-x" arguments to get the job done, but the point of a > >> GUI is > >> to make things more user friendly, isn't it?) > >> – I can't seem to find the description of individual package updates > >> (the short > >> changelog that plasma-pk-updates shows when you click a particular > >> package, > >> together with Bugzilla or Bodhi links). Again, getting these any other > >> way > >> than through the GUI updater is a real hassle. > >> – The tray notifier doesn't let me actually do anything directly, I > >> have to > >> wait for it to open a full Discover window and spend a long while > >> loading the > >> updates, which is much more disruptive than the few seconds needed to > >> trigger > >> updating through plasma-pk-updates. > >> > > > > Even worse is that every single update requires a reboot. I just took a > > fully updated system and then downgraded vlc. Updated with Discover and > > even though it only had to update vlc-core-3.0.13-1.fc34.x86_64 and > > vlc-3.0.13-1.fc34.x86_64 it still required a reboot. > > > > Looks like this will be an option in 5.22 . > https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/merge_requests/111 > > Although I am not sure how doing an online vlc update will cause an > "unstable system". It wouldn't be so bad if there were not almost daily > updates available. > We don't have a heuristic for differentiating what a "safe update" and an "unsafe update" would be. In the VLC case, it would be "safe" as long as the phonon-vlc backend was not used for KDE Plasma (we don't use it by default, but someone could swap it in from a third-party build). It can get fairly complicated, and it's always been a bad idea to update the desktop software while it's running from within the terminal of the said desktop, because you can lead to a scenario where you've temporarily caused a broken state that would only be fixed by rebooting anyway. For the majority of users, offline updates for packages is the correct behavior. That said, yes, Plasma 5.22 (coming in a month) will introduce a user-accessible option to turn it off. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
