On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 13:54 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 13:43, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 13:15 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 11:56, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 00:34 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > > > This isn't a KDE thing, it's systemd. See e.g. [1] and [2]. > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12994 > > > > > [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Kill_user_processes_on_logout > > > > > > > > I know what causes it. My point is that the problem occurs with KDE and > > > > other desktops, but not apparently with Gnome, so it would be > > > > interesting to know why this is. Does systemd treat Gnome specially, or > > > > does Gnome have some kind of built-in workaraound that avoids this > > > > issue? > > > > > > Are you sure that this doesn't happen with Gnome? > > > > No, I'm simply relying on some comments in the above references. > > AFAIK, it does happen in Gnome too, because that's entirely to systemd > (unless gdm does something special nowadays). E.g.: > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=204307 OK. I guess I might try Gnome to see what happens. > > > There was a change in systemd some years ago [1] to KillUSerProcesses > > > by default, and if you follow the trail, this triggered lively debate. > > > Particularly, we had [2] in Fedora, and there was even a change > > > proposal [3] to follow the decision upstream, but it was first delayed > > > and then never implemented [4]. Maybe Zbigniew (in CC), the owner, > > > could tell us why. > > > > I'll take a look at those, thanks. > > > > > And maybe this topic could be resurrected in devel if there's renewed > > > interest, but you are probably going to find opposition; because this > > > is fine for multi-user workstations, but it breaks things in servers. > > > IMHO, in a perfect world, each flavour (Workstation, Server, KDE...) > > > should decide and explicitly set the default option. > > > > Sounds like a good idea. I don't see why it should break things in > > servers, but maybe that's clarified in the links you mention. > > TL;DR: it kills processes when you log out. So if you ssh into the > machine, launch something using tmux/screen/nohup, and then log out, > these processes get killed. You have further details and discussion in > the links provided (and in other forums in other distros if you take a > look too). Yes, I've skimmed them now and have an idea of the objections. What I don't understand is https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KillUserProcesses_by_default which says that KillUserProcesses is now the default, when it clearly isn't. I did a fresh install of F31 a couple of months ago and that setting had not changed until I edited it myself. poc _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
