On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 13:15 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2020 at 11:56, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-02-13 at 00:34 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > > > This isn't a KDE thing, it's systemd. See e.g. [1] and [2]. > > > > > > [1] https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=12994 > > > [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/User#Kill_user_processes_on_logout > > > > I know what causes it. My point is that the problem occurs with KDE and > > other desktops, but not apparently with Gnome, so it would be > > interesting to know why this is. Does systemd treat Gnome specially, or > > does Gnome have some kind of built-in workaraound that avoids this > > issue? > > Are you sure that this doesn't happen with Gnome? No, I'm simply relying on some comments in the above references. > There was a change in systemd some years ago [1] to KillUSerProcesses > by default, and if you follow the trail, this triggered lively debate. > Particularly, we had [2] in Fedora, and there was even a change > proposal [3] to follow the decision upstream, but it was first delayed > and then never implemented [4]. Maybe Zbigniew (in CC), the owner, > could tell us why. I'll take a look at those, thanks. > And maybe this topic could be resurrected in devel if there's renewed > interest, but you are probably going to find opposition; because this > is fine for multi-user workstations, but it breaks things in servers. > IMHO, in a perfect world, each flavour (Workstation, Server, KDE...) > should decide and explicitly set the default option. Sounds like a good idea. I don't see why it should break things in servers, but maybe that's clarified in the links you mention. The specific case that brought this to my attention was an apparent bug in Evolution when running under KDE. With the default logind.conf a session leaves gnome-keyring running after user logout, and a second login often fails to start Evolution correctly, presumably because of a race or something similar on the authentication DBus socket. But there's no reason I can see to leave gnome-keyring running after logout. It always runs as the user, so what's the point if the user has gone? Changing logind.conf fixed this particular issue, but it seems likely that the default behaviour could cause other problems. poc _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
