On Friday, 22 September 2017 17:31:58 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 22.09.2017 um 17:15 schrieb Luigi Toscano: > > > On Friday, 22 September 2017 17:02:43 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> Am 22.09.2017 um 16:52 schrieb Luigi Toscano: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Friday, 22 September 2017 16:42:14 CEST Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> fine, now it's "ported" to KDE5 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I will continue to repeat it, but it's due: there is *no* KDE5. It was > >>> ported to Qt5 and Frameworks 5. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> you sound like a upstream developer > > > > > > I am a primarly a member of the KDE community. > > > and i am a user which don't care how someone now calls the pieces - > frankly i am a KDE user starting with version 1.0 and that is very long ago You are not the only long time user, and calling things with their proper name is important. > > >>>> * no bookmarks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Do you mean "no import of old bookmarks"? Because support for bookmark > >>> is > >>> available > >>> See below for the answer of "why the import was not added" > >>> (not an excuse, but you can copy manually the xbel file) > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> which one? where is it located? > > > > > > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/bookmarks.xml > > The new location is ~/.local/share/konqueror/bookmarks.xml > > > thanks, at least the main-bookmarks are back, no idea how to restore the > sidebar which had the most important smb-servers and so on but since > kio-slaves are completly broken it don't matter that much Are you talking about the toolbar or the sidebar? The sidebar is gone. The porting was not trivial (it needed a rewrite, still using the non-MVC architecture pre-Qt4) and it was probably "wait forever until it's ported, or release Konqueror without". > > > >>>> * no toolbar settings from the previous install > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I don't think that any application kept this in the migration. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> and then you guys wonder why Linux don't reach the desktop? > >> > >> > >> > >> i develop software for 15 years now and the codebase don't share a > >> single line *but* never a user lost any configuration because it's > >> really so easy take the code dealing with the old configuration, read it > >> and write it into a new format (if that's needed at all) > > > > > > Some changes are expected in a major version bump. > > Most applications migrated the content; the toolbar disposition is a > > different issue. > > > but i have simply enough from the fact that you need to fear that after > every upgrade customizations you have done years ago and included > blindly in your workflow diesappear It's a case-by-case thing. I agree that some more porting can be added when possible (which is not always the case). > > > >>>> * no support for sftp:// > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> It's not provided by Konqueror; install kio-extras. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> bla - obviously Konqueror does not have any KIO support at all > >> > >> > >> > >> [root@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | grep -i kio-extras > >> kio-extras-16.12.3-1.fc26.x86_64 > > > > > > What I said is true and correct; kio-sftp support is in kio-extras. > > > and what i said is true, it is installed and Konqueror says > "ERR_UNKNOWN_URL_SCHEME" while dolphin is too dumb read the host/port > settings from ssh-configs or the kio-slave in F26 is just buggy while it > worked (at least at that point) better the last years > > for smb:// it yells in german about a internal error > > thank's for rewrite the sftp-kioslave years ago instead use the openssh > tools, we suffer 7 years or so later over basic things not working > (ciphers, cipher-preferences and when the first one is not known by > libssh2 nothing orks instead like openssh just try the next one) Again, WORKSFORME. Nothing to do with how the internal is structured. > > > > That said, I'm using kio-extras 17.04, but there are no relevant > > differences with 16.12 by looking at the code. > > > F25 was fine F25 had both components based on kdelibs4; KDE Applications 16.12 has Frameworks 5 versions for both konqueror and kio-extras. > > > >>>> * no passwords for network-locations previously used > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> That's a KWallet migration issue, I guess. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> no, that's because upstream decided with *KDE5 period* that there are > >> now *two* wallets for KF4/KF5 applications instead have one storage > >> broker and wrappers for both worlds so that things are interchangeable > > > > > > The then maintainer of KWallet had a problem with supporting the old > > format in a reliable way while migrating to Frameworks 5. This was > > solved with a really recent version of Frameworks, which can read the old > > wallet, thanks to the contribution of a Gentoo packager. > > > the don't release major updates - problem is that the KDE community has > *nothing* learned from the KDE3->KDE4 disaster and i fear the same will > happen when QT6 is out Let's retalk about this in few years. This has nothing to do with KDE3->KDE4 (which mostly kept the same paths for data), really. > > > >>>> WTF is wrong with the KDE developers attitude that the main question > >>>> due > >>>> every upgrde is "curious what they broke now from my workflow" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Konqueror was not developed. The fact that it was ported was already a > >>> plus. And unless someone will step to maintain it, it's going to be > >>> replaced by Falkon. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> i miss to see the "plus" when 90% of my daily workflow is now broken > >> > >> > >> > >> the "plus" until today was that nobody touched Konqueror to "make it > >> better" > > > > > The plus was that something was done. If nothing would have been done, > > you > > would have still complained that it was abandoned > > > after 10 years Linux only on my dekstop i start to prefer abanoned > software which just works and is not "optimized to dead" every few weeks > while the crazy guys forom the fedora workstation SIG would prefer to > hide anything which don't get every 2 weeks a useless update and new > shiny icons This is not about matter of "optimized", it was a problem of basic "it's broken". > > > > I mean, really, what is the solution? That the old maintainer (who is > > taking care of what most people can take humanly care already) should > > have been chained to a chair to work on Konqueror? No one stepped up, > > there was some work to finally at least port it. That's it > > > i have no perfect solution *but damned* replace the working KF4 version > by a hlaf baken "port" is none So better drop it, I guess? -- Luigi _______________________________________________ kde mailing list -- kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to kde-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
