On Saturday, 8 July 2017 12:26:00 AM AEST Luigi Toscano wrote: > On Friday, 7 July 2017 16:18:58 CEST Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 11:04:03AM -0300, Guilherme Luciano Marques > > wrote: > > > > > > > I think that the deduplication is a good idea, but, in my opinion, > > > Firefox > > > should be the default choice. > > > > > > > > I don't have a strong opinion here, but one advantage of choosing > > Firefox is that it will also be tested as part of the Workstation > > testing, rather than requiring something separate. If you all decide > > you want to do the work to make something else work, that's fine with > > me. > > > > > > Talking about changes, you mentioned that there are many applications and > they are tested at the end of the cycle. Can you please share more > details about it? Is it a matter of the number of the applications in the > Live image, or there are some of them which are more troublesome to test. > Or maybe the applications by KDE simply don't have automated tests, while > there are some of them for Gnome applications? > Or a combination of all of them? > > If we need to decide whether to cut something and where to add testing, it > would be better to know which parts the QA team finds more critical. > Ciao To bridge the gap between IRC and mailing list, I'll post a bit of conversation today: 02:31 < adamw> pino|work: we don't do detailed functionality testing of every app 02:31 < adamw> the test case is to run each app, make sure it at least doesn't crash entirely on startup, and make sure it seems at least basically capable of doing *something* without crashing 02:32 < adamw> the reason we do this is that we noticed a while back reviewers tend to be quite superficial, *they* don't have time to test everything extensively either; but if they happen to run something and it's clearly utterly broken they get very angry 02:32 < adamw> it's basically a 'oh my god did they even test this AT ALL?!' defence 02:32 < adamw> so the sheer volume of...stuff...that's launchable in KDE does have a big effect 02:33 < tosky> adamw: out of curiosity, so it's a matter of number of applications available by default in the Plasma menus? 02:33 < tosky> or are some applications more complicated than others? 02:33 < adamw> mainly the sheer number. 02:34 < adamw> it's not like we're going to write an entire novel to test the word processor, or setup a FreeIPA domain so we can really give kmail a workout 02:34 < tosky> uhm 02:34 < tosky> but isn't there an email client in the Workstation too? 02:34 < tosky> at least, libreoffice is there 02:35 < adamw> sure 02:36 < adamw> those were just examples 02:36 < adamw> the point is, KDE has something like 3-4x as many things in its default launcher menus as Workstation does 02:36 < adamw> (rough number, I have not counted) I'm not certain my proposals are the best - but hey - that's why its a proposal - and my aim was to start getting people talking about this as an issue. Everyone should weigh in on these, and maybe a short case about what should stay, what should go. Remember, this is purely about the Live boot image - which then becomes the default install. Things that can be reasonably expected to be installed via DNF *after* installing to a HDD are a prime candidate to be removed from the live image. As such, I'd love more suggestions. I believe we need to get in early to start making progress - otherwise we'll find ourselves in the F27 release cycle before we know it! -- Steven Haigh 📧 netwiz@xxxxxxxxx 💻 http://www.crc.id.au 📞 +61 (3) 9001 6090 📱 0412 935 897
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