On Tuesday 25 August 2009 16:13:43 Jaroslav Reznik wrote: > We should comment this and answer. > I can't believe that the question is even asked. How will not having a download link hurt us? Incredible. I did try to comment on this issue, but only got a flea in my ear. Mairin simply doesn't want to know. All the same, yes. We should fight for this. Anne > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Re: website mockups, what is fedora? > Date: Monday 24 August 2009 > From: M?ir?n Duffy <mairin at linuxgrrl.com> > To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > > I just wanted to bump this because I would love to see a response to > this... > > Also note I'm currently running an informal survey about when/why - how > - what users download to help inform this. But I need to hear from KDE > folks too so I can understand your goals. > > ~m > > On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 22:33 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > > KDE folks, please tell me HOW not having a link to the KDE spin on the > > main download page is going to hurt you. Please. Tell me the problems it > > will cause that I need to solve and I am sure they can be solved in > > other and potentially better ways. > > > > I cannot solve the problems it will cause you in my designs if I do not > > know what they are. I have tried to tell you in many different ways why > > the link has been removed - along with 20 other links - because we are > > targeting a new class of users. > > > > Tell me what you really want - what are the KDE spin's goals? > > > > - Do you want to grow users of Fedora KDE? What users are you looking to > > attract? How do they differ from the target users of the Desktop spin? > > How would you market to them? > > > > - Do you simply want KDE to be recognized as an important part of the > > Fedora project? There are many, many, many potential ways of doing that, > > that do not involve the 'Get Fedora' page at all. > > > > - Do you just want KDE to be easy to find for the experienced KDE users > > that know what they're doing? There must be modifications we could do to > > address this case. > > > > I'm trying to reverse-engineer your intentions. But I have NO CLUE what > > it is you're wanting. My blog has been flooded with complaints that > > there is no KDE link, and I've even been subject to rather harsh and > > unfair berating in IRC over this. Let's fix this by talking about your > > goals and your concerns about the problems this change is going to cause > > rather than demanding via multiple forms of communication that it should > > be added back without rationale. > > > > No matter how many times I repeat it I do not think it is going to > > change - adding a KDE link to that page not only completely goes against > > the requirement of having one main default download on the page, but it > > really also goes against my professional opinion as a designer as what > > is best for making a page that will attract the types of users that the > > Board has told me they would like to make a try at. > > > > So please tell me what problems removing that link is going to cause > > you, and please tell me what your goals as a project are. I will do my > > very best to come up with something that you can at least be amenable to > > (and I am hoping you would rather be delighted with it), I have > > absolutely nothing against you and anytime I've needed help with > > something KDE, KDE SIG members have been extremely responsive and > > helpful. So, please don't take this or make this personal. Help me and > > you have a right to complain if you don't like the results. > > > > If the goal is to 'show KDE as a prominent and valued member of the > > Fedora community', again, there are far better ways of doing that than > > cluttering up the main download page. For real. Fedora KDE is not just > > an ISO file. Fedora KDE is a SIG, Fedora KDE is a community, Fedora KDE > > is a group of really cool (well at least not when they're berating me in > > IRC ;-) ) and smart people who put out one of the best versions of KDE > > for a distro out there. So why do you sell all of Fedora KDE short by > > considering it just to be an ISO file? > > _______________________________________________ > fedora-advisory-board mailing list > fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board > > ------------------------------------------------------- -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/attachments/20090825/342ffda9/attachment.bin
