We should comment this and answer. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: website mockups, what is fedora? Date: Monday 24 August 2009 From: M?ir?n Duffy <mairin at linuxgrrl.com> To: fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com I just wanted to bump this because I would love to see a response to this... Also note I'm currently running an informal survey about when/why - how - what users download to help inform this. But I need to hear from KDE folks too so I can understand your goals. ~m On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 22:33 -0400, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > KDE folks, please tell me HOW not having a link to the KDE spin on the > main download page is going to hurt you. Please. Tell me the problems it > will cause that I need to solve and I am sure they can be solved in > other and potentially better ways. > > I cannot solve the problems it will cause you in my designs if I do not > know what they are. I have tried to tell you in many different ways why > the link has been removed - along with 20 other links - because we are > targeting a new class of users. > > Tell me what you really want - what are the KDE spin's goals? > > - Do you want to grow users of Fedora KDE? What users are you looking to > attract? How do they differ from the target users of the Desktop spin? > How would you market to them? > > - Do you simply want KDE to be recognized as an important part of the > Fedora project? There are many, many, many potential ways of doing that, > that do not involve the 'Get Fedora' page at all. > > - Do you just want KDE to be easy to find for the experienced KDE users > that know what they're doing? There must be modifications we could do to > address this case. > > I'm trying to reverse-engineer your intentions. But I have NO CLUE what > it is you're wanting. My blog has been flooded with complaints that > there is no KDE link, and I've even been subject to rather harsh and > unfair berating in IRC over this. Let's fix this by talking about your > goals and your concerns about the problems this change is going to cause > rather than demanding via multiple forms of communication that it should > be added back without rationale. > > No matter how many times I repeat it I do not think it is going to > change - adding a KDE link to that page not only completely goes against > the requirement of having one main default download on the page, but it > really also goes against my professional opinion as a designer as what > is best for making a page that will attract the types of users that the > Board has told me they would like to make a try at. > > So please tell me what problems removing that link is going to cause > you, and please tell me what your goals as a project are. I will do my > very best to come up with something that you can at least be amenable to > (and I am hoping you would rather be delighted with it), I have > absolutely nothing against you and anytime I've needed help with > something KDE, KDE SIG members have been extremely responsive and > helpful. So, please don't take this or make this personal. Help me and > you have a right to complain if you don't like the results. > > If the goal is to 'show KDE as a prominent and valued member of the > Fedora community', again, there are far better ways of doing that than > cluttering up the main download page. For real. Fedora KDE is not just > an ISO file. Fedora KDE is a SIG, Fedora KDE is a community, Fedora KDE > is a group of really cool (well at least not when they're berating me in > IRC ;-) ) and smart people who put out one of the best versions of KDE > for a distro out there. So why do you sell all of Fedora KDE short by > considering it just to be an ISO file? _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board at redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board ------------------------------------------------------- -- Jaroslav ?ezn?k <jreznik at redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/
