-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eli Wapniarski wrote: > On Saturday 30 May 2009 23:21:36 Anne Wilson wrote: >> On Saturday 30 May 2009 18:03:19 Eli Wapniarski wrote: >> > Hi All >> > >> > Just installed the Beta from unstable. Seriously... has anybody actually >> > seen bug fixes? Or are the KDE developers simply adding features that add >> > more bugs? >> > >> >> >> Dozens of them. Anything particular in mind? >> > > Here: > > These are the ones I've checked at first glance. Almost all of them Konqueror related, And none > of the Konqueror bugs have been addressed. Leave a this for starters. > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157454 Seems fine to me in 4.3b1. Seems slow to load, but once done, I don't see any performance issues. The toolbar has a little delay before seeing the hand cursor, but clicking still works as expected despite the cursor not changing. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172534 Something like this isn't going to please everybody in every situation. Personally, I find the issue in that background/font color are separate choices in CSS. They should be required together or not at all. This is almost always the kicker for me going back to Oxygen colors after using Obsidian Coast for a while. Firefox has just as bad a time with it as Konqueror in my experience. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106367 Cannot confirm in 4.3b1. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157481 Flash-related, nothing we in Fedora can do. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157483 Confirmed in 4.3b1 as well. By watching what happens in Firefox, it instead enforces the requested table size, loads the text then starts the scrolling. This causes text to be written on top of other text before the page is completely loaded. Konqueror uses the height of the marquee for the marquee, but for layout, there is no size specified. Personally, I think the site is relying on other browser bugs/quirks. Looking at the source and references, the height attribute isn't necessary (looking at wiki's list of attributes for it; hell, marquee isn't even standard), so Konqueror would just be playing puppet to other browsers. There is no standard dictating how those should be handled. > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=167825 Not something I get to test/use all that often (read: maybe once or twice in a few years), but I can see why it's important. > The last on complains about the lack of capability to stretch panels across 2 monitors. And this > lack, in my desktop environment, represents a real useabiltiy bug. Serious enough for me to move > to xfce which does this flawlessly. KDE Brainstorm may be a place for this. > As for konqueror vs firefox. Look firefox is not a kde app. Its mime types automatically link to > gtk apps. Currently and more and more tentatively I use kde. I do not want to use gtk apps to > read pdf or view multimedia or evolution and I do not want to have to manually reconfigure the > gazillion or so mime types to open kde apps. If I want to use gtk apps I would use a gtk based > windows manager. I use kde and a core application is very badly broken. I understand; Firefox is a Windows app ported to Linux making it play its own game (I touched on this in my latest rant in my blog). > Look I need to say this; plasmoids are a very very nice idea. They look great and make the > desktop look cool. The things is the desktop is next to useless. It gets covered up as soon as > you use your computer to do anything at all. Unless of course the way you use your computer is to > simply stare at your cool desktop. Heck I even have a package out there of a plasmoid. But being > the end all and be all of windows management is a colossal mistake. Panels are the only app that > makes the desktop constantly useful. Applets (ok plasmoids now) on panels when designed correctly > places functionality, accessibility and information immediately available with a single click or > quick glance regardless of what else is going on (except for full screen games :) ). So don't place plasmoids on the desktop. My desktop is currently...just a wallpaper. I have too many windows open all the time to deal with moving them around. I have quite a few locked in position/size/desktop and the mask has no hole in it, so no position is always safe here. Ctrl-F12 is there to expose the plasmoids. I just tested and if you're dragging something, it isn't lost. > People use browsers, word processors, games, email client, im clients etc. The first app that > gets opened makes the desktop disappear. This was a major problem with the old desktop. It was almost always covered (at least here), so it was of limited use. > If the apps don't work what good is the desktop other > than to look pretty but dumb. I do not need my desktop or apps to be a huge blonde moment (male > or female take your pick). I need to get the things done. If kde developers want to jerk around > they're bored and get things half finished and then say brand new here it is. This whole process > has been one the least professional processes I have been through in computing in a very long > time. (Fedora / KDE people notwithstanding in this tirade they as usual do a superb job) then > ignore their user base, well then there will be defection. Which by the way I am seriously > considering and trust me when I say this i > s painful for me since I have been a loyal and passionate kde user for years as Rex can attest. > But enough is enough. If I wanted to install super karamba I would have installed super karamb > a. Now KDE has pushed it down my throat in the form of plasmoids the very least they could do is > have the thing work the way it should. You don't need to have plasmoids everywhere. I don't. Current list of active plasmoids: Desktop: Panel: Task Manager System Tray Pager Device Notifier Weather Battery Monitor (laptop only) Digital Clock Nothing that the old panel didn't have that is clutter. Having thing replaceable is great. Now people can get Windows 7-like taskbars without it being forced down everyone's throats (stasks isn't for me). New ways of doing things don't need reworking low-level code. I don't see what isn't working with them (the dual monitor thing I can see, but I couldn't get it to work with Kicker back in KDE3 days either). > 4.3 is a personal milestone for me. After a tirade like this one, to be fair I will wait till 4.4 > and leave without a whisper (I'm sure some are saying yea!!! :) ) . KDE either works the way it > should or I will have to go elsewhere. Everyone has their limits and you can't please everyone all the time. > Thanks for Listening :) I don't use tts. Reading was fun. :O) > Eli - --Ben -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoiKnYACgkQiPi+MRHG3qQrfgCdHTvWbGmQr2fF110B/bI+G+mL FVIAoJeMQFLAXrF38N1dpBqBP18AXR63 =BWir -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
