On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 11:35:09AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 04:04:41PM +0200, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 3:20 PM Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 3:01 PM Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 17:56, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Here's my thoughts on rhel9 upgrades. > > > >> > > > >> We have 188 RHEL7 or RHEL8 instances (counting both vm's and bare hardware). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Some will just not move anytime soon: > > > >> > > > > > > > > Is it possible to look at these as 'why does this need fedmsg?' 'what happens if it doesn't have fedmsg', and 'do we need it?' > > Sure, we can. > > But at this point I think we have already gotten rid of most of the > things we really don't need. So, someone will need to make a compelling > argument for dropping things (at least to me). > > > > > mailman01 is one where maybe not having it on fedmsg wouldn't be earth shattering > > > > but it also has the bigger problem of all its libraries being FTBFS in Fedora and > > > > being retired from there. At which point we go with 'do we need to run mailing lists?' > > Well, until we figure out how to otherwise handle the use cases that > mailing lists handle now? > > For example: all the -sig groups in pagure have mailing lists that get > all the bugs send to it. We would need to find another way to get bug > content to those groups (and still keep it private). > scm-commits is still important IMHO, because its a external record of > changes. If someone messed with git history, that might be the only > record of real changes. > devel/test/a few other lists are still active. They would have to move > to discourse or otherwise have something. > > So, needs a concrete plan. I am not at all in favor of 'turn it off' > without moving all the needs. I took it more as a: do we need to *run* mailing list? More than a: Do we need mailing list? Ie: should we look to host our lists for us? That's a fair question and I can see pros and cons to it, but I'm definitely in the camp of "we need mailing lists" :) Pierre
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