16:01 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Who's here? 16:01 * lmacken 16:01 -!- TheorEPhysicist [n=jfghlynx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:01 < skvidal> I still miss the days when warren and jeremy would fall off 16:01 < TheorEPhysicist> Hello, I have a question on Fedora, could someone help me? 16:01 * skvidal is here 16:01 < lmacken> skvidal: me too :) 16:01 * jeremy kicks skvidal 16:01 -!- mccann [n=jmccann@nat/redhat-us/x-5e0d390b6441be74] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:01 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: ask in #fedora 16:02 < TheorEPhysicist> skvidal?a theoretical physicist? 16:02 < warren> I can still fall off for you. 16:02 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: you have a fedora question for a theoretical physicist? 16:02 * skvidal looks at spoleeba 16:02 < mmcgrath> Alllrighty, lets get this party started. 16:03 < spoleeba> skvidal, im not a theorist 16:03 < TheorEPhysicist> no, so, I should move to annother channel? 16:03 < spoleeba> skvidal, in theory....im an experimentalist 16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: yah 16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: this channel is for meetings 16:03 < skvidal> not for general questions 16:03 < TheorEPhysicist> OK, thanks!!!! 16:03 < skvidal> TheorEPhysicist: try #fedora and/or ask for spoleeba - he's a physicist of sorts 16:04 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- F9 Release. 16:04 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+9 16:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/25vzyu 16:04 < mmcgrath> so.. 16:04 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421 16:04 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421 16:04 < mmcgrath> skvidal: how's archive look? 16:04 < skvidal> running fine 16:04 -!- notting [n=notting@redhat/notting] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:04 < mmcgrath> how much is copied over there? 16:04 < skvidal> fc1 is on there 16:04 < skvidal> nothing else 16:04 < skvidal> b/c I can't get to the bits :) 16:05 < skvidal> f13 asked to wait until f9 is out b/c of bandwidth limits 16:05 < skvidal> only problem with archive right now is that it appears bu is blocking 873 at the router 16:05 < mmcgrath> huh? really? 16:05 < mmcgrath> ah 16:05 < skvidal> but it is up 16:05 < skvidal> it is archive.fp.o and archives.fp.o 16:05 < skvidal> it just needs more bits 16:05 < mmcgrath> we'll want to get rid of one of those and decide which one is canonical. 16:06 -!- TheorEPhysicist [n=jfghlynx@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 16:06 < skvidal> we do? 16:06 < mmcgrath> yeah. 16:06 < skvidal> why not just leave both - they're just an alias 16:06 < mmcgrath> its confusing. 16:06 < skvidal> to whom? 16:06 < mmcgrath> and I've regreted stuff like that in the past. 16:06 < skvidal> okay 16:06 < mmcgrath> less is more :) 16:06 < skvidal> let me know which one you pick, I seriously have no preference 16:07 < mmcgrath> I'd say archive. since its not downloads.fedoraproject.org 16:07 < mmcgrath> So right now there's 161G free on /pub 16:07 < skvidal> umm 16:08 < skvidal> what? 16:08 < skvidal> on pub of archive? 16:08 < skvidal> or pub of d.fp.o? 16:08 < mmcgrath> pub of the actual primary mirror. 16:08 < skvidal> ah 16:08 < skvidal> sorry 16:08 < skvidal> okay 16:08 -!- Gaaruto [n=Gaaruto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit "++" 16:08 < skvidal> mmcgrath: should I wait until post-f9 to drop the other name or just do it now? 16:09 < mmcgrath> It can wait 16:09 < mmcgrath> afaik 16:09 < mmcgrath> .421 is fine for space. 16:09 < mmcgrath> f13: would you mind closing that ticket? 16:09 < mmcgrath> .ticket 421 16:09 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #421 (Fedora Mirror Space) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/421 16:09 < f13> oh yeah, I was going to get you a final bit count 16:09 < mmcgrath> if we need to we still have plenty of time to free up space on that box. 16:09 < f13> 114G /pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/ 16:10 < mmcgrath> <nod> 16:10 < mmcgrath> Ok, we'll move on to the next bit 16:10 < mmcgrath> .ticket 526 16:10 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #526 (Torrent Prep) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/526 16:11 < mmcgrath> f13: is this something you're going to do or just someone in rel-eng? (or should someone from infra do it?) 16:11 < f13> debuginfo /huge/ 16:11 < mmcgrath> its still group assigned. 16:11 < f13> mmcgrath: seth has done it in the past, as has skvidal 16:11 < skvidal> haha 16:11 < mmcgrath> skvidal: you up for that again this release? 16:11 < f13> leave it group assigned, I imagine we'll start uploading it tomorrow. 16:11 < f13> er whoops 16:11 < skvidal> the torrent? 16:11 < mmcgrath> k 16:11 < skvidal> sure 16:11 < f13> seth as has jeremy 16:11 < skvidal> f13: I liked the idea that I have done it as has me 16:11 < f13> I don't mind doing it, I should have clear decks tomorrow 16:11 < mmcgrath> I'm fine with either, I just wanted to make sure someone knows to do it if not I will. 16:12 < skvidal> umm 16:12 < f13> and could use an easy target. 16:12 < skvidal> when would that likely happen? 16:12 < skvidal> b/c I'm going to be visiting my mom this weekend 16:12 < skvidal> and I may or may not be close to a computer 16:12 < f13> skvidal: I was going to start around 10am EST 16:12 < f13> with the scps 16:12 < skvidal> which day? 16:12 < skvidal> tomorrow? 16:12 < skvidal> f13: oh can I ask another question? 16:12 < skvidal> f13: export bits? 16:13 < skvidal> do we need to set that up? 16:13 -!- couf [n=bart@fedora/couf] has quit "leaving" 16:13 -!- fugolini [n=francesc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] has left #fedora-meeting [] 16:13 < f13> skvidal: yes, tomorrow. 16:13 < skvidal> okie doke 16:13 < dgilmore> crap im here 16:13 < f13> RE Export bits, we can give them the projected final url for filing 16:13 < skvidal> okie doke 16:13 < f13> I'll need to do that tomorrow, is there a ticket for this? 16:13 < f13> (and is it assigned to me?) 16:14 < mmcgrath> f13: export bits? No, is that just the "send the URl to legal for export compliance" thing? 16:15 < f13> mmcgrath: yes. 16:15 < mmcgrath> f13: I'll create a ticket right after the meeting if you haven't already and make sure it gets added to the SOP. 16:15 -!- rdieter is now known as rdieter_away 16:16 < f13> thanks 16:16 < mmcgrath> f13: so do you want me to leave 16:16 < mmcgrath> .ticket 526 16:16 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #526 (Torrent Prep) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/526 16:16 < mmcgrath> assigned to rel-eng? 16:16 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit "Konversation terminated!" 16:17 < f13> mmcgrath: please. 16:17 < mmcgrath> k 16:17 < mmcgrath> .ticket 528 16:17 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #528 (Release Day Links) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/528 16:17 < mmcgrath> We had a meeting about this yesterday, we'll make sure they're all on a wiki page somewhere and I'm going to spend some time on a script that actually creates static copies of this. 16:17 < mmcgrath> .ticket 389 16:17 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #389 (Monitor primary mirror) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/389 16:18 < mmcgrath> I don't think 389 is actually going to get done for F9, its not a blocker though so not a big deal. 16:18 < mmcgrath> .54 got moved until just after the change freeze for stability concerns. 16:18 < mmcgrath> .280 16:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 280 16:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #280 (DHCP Server off of lockbox) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/280 16:18 < mmcgrath> is done, I'll close that now. 16:18 < mmcgrath> .ticket 333 16:18 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #333 (Add spam headers to bastion (smtp)) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/333 16:19 < mmcgrath> is blocking on 54 and is also a just after F9 launches thing. 16:19 < mmcgrath> .ticket 411 16:19 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #411 (New Website Fedora - 9) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/411 16:19 < mmcgrath> This is in good shape, we won't close it until its actually live though. 16:19 < mmcgrath> .ticket 416 16:19 < zodbot> mmcgrath: #416 (Infrastructure Change Freeze) - Fedora Infrastructure - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/projects/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/416 16:19 < mmcgrath> This has been fine. 16:20 < mmcgrath> f13: I saw some murmurings in #fedora-devel this morning about cd's, what was the final outcome of that? 16:20 < notting> we are respinning cd images as we speak 16:21 < mmcgrath> notting: so long story short, thats not as big of a deal as it first seemed? 16:21 < f13> mmcgrath: x86_64 and ppc split CDs are respinning, and will be re-uploaded 16:21 -!- GeroldKa [n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka] has joined #fedora-meeting 16:21 < f13> mmcgrath: it's sitll a pretty big deal, and will cause a 0-day anaconda update to match what we hacked together here. 16:21 < mmcgrath> but as of right now we're still on schedule to release on the 13th? 16:22 < f13> yes 16:22 < mmcgrath> solid. 16:22 < mmcgrath> So thats really all I had related to the release. 16:22 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor (release stuff only please) 16:22 < mmcgrath> does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss related to the release? 16:23 < mmcgrath> I'll take that as a no. 16:23 < mmcgrath> so next bit 16:23 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- mod_wsgi vs straight cherrypy 16:24 < mmcgrath> lmacken abadger1999 ricky: any thoughts on that? 16:24 * dgilmore is all for reliability 16:24 < abadger1999> I want mod_wsgi 16:24 < mmcgrath> I saw no tangible downside to doing this. 16:24 < lmacken> WSGI is the way to go, and mod_wsgi looks to have great benefits 16:24 < lmacken> it'll definitely put us in the right direction for adopting TG2 as well 16:24 < abadger1999> How do we restart pps under mod_wsgi? 16:24 < abadger1999> restart apache? 16:24 < abadger1999> s/pps/apps/ 16:25 < mmcgrath> interestingly I found that lots of other of our applications could use the WSGI interface as well so we could at least have common configuration components that way. 16:25 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: yeah, just restart apache. 16:25 < abadger1999> Very nice. 16:25 * mmcgrath wonders if a graceful would work. 16:25 -!- wolfy [n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy] has left #fedora-meeting ["I fought the lawn, and the - lawn won!"] 16:25 < abadger1999> Okay... so the only drawback of that is that we'd have to restart all of the apps on a machine if we update one. 16:25 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: the other thing thats nice is we can control memory bloat through other means like limiting the number of requests a process will be allowed to run before restarting, etc. 16:26 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: :-) That makes very happy 16:26 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: yes, with the exception of a graceful which, if I understand how it _should_ work... is something like this. 16:26 < abadger1999> <nod> 16:26 < mmcgrath> any http processes that are currently in use will be told to restart when they are done. 16:26 < mmcgrath> any process not in use is told to restart and it does so. 16:26 < abadger1999> There was also a startup cost, though? 16:27 < mmcgrath> so there should be no actual downtime. The only thing is after httpd is restarted, the initial request to start the processes usually takes an additional 3-5 seconds because its actually starting turbogears. 16:27 < abadger1999> Ah. 3-5 seconds isn't bad. 16:27 < mmcgrath> the startup cost is pretty high but still not horrible. 16:27 < abadger1999> I'm all for this. 16:27 * lmacken too 16:28 < mmcgrath> especially since, in my tests, its only worth it to have the number of processes == the number of cpus you have so its not like a whole lot of them will be starting at once. 16:28 < mmcgrath> alrighty then, we'll deploy this right after F9 ships. 16:28 < mmcgrath> I'll stick what I have for fas.wsgi into the git repo with directions on how to get it going. 16:28 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: interested in helping me test it? 16:28 -!- petreu| [n=peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] has quit Read error: 113 (No route to host) 16:28 < lmacken> what TG changes did you have to make to get it under mod_wsgi ? 16:28 < abadger1999> Sure. Can we deploy it on a publictest box? 16:29 < mmcgrath> lmacken: none, I just had to create a fas.wsgi file that had the proper paths in it. 16:29 < lmacken> awesome 16:29 < mmcgrath> I didn't even have to alter the fas.cfg which is handy when testing the difference between the two. 16:29 < mmcgrath> you can overwride any option in your prod.cfg 16:30 < mmcgrath> makes it easy to deploy cherrypy vs wsgi without any changes... you can even run them both at the same time on the same box. 16:30 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: <nod> 16:30 < mmcgrath> alrighty, if no one has anything else there I'll move on to the next bit. 16:31 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- My Trip to PHX. 16:31 < mmcgrath> so I'm going to be going to PHX at some point right after F9 ships. 16:31 < mmcgrath> I'll also be deployin gthe new wiki sometime right after PHX ships. 16:31 < dgilmore> :) 16:31 < dgilmore> so we will have how many new builders? 16:31 < mmcgrath> its two major projects that will happen in a short time so if you see me being un responsive or sending you guys stuff to do... thats why. 16:31 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: not sure, however many are in that blade center. 16:31 < abadger1999> <nod> 16:32 < mmcgrath> I've also got a bunch of new servers coming in, at least 5 that I can think of right now (thats 5 not including whats in the blade center) 16:32 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: excellent. i look forward to bringing them online 16:32 < notting> are we going to have a moin-is-dead release party? 16:32 < mmcgrath> notting: I sure hope so. 16:32 < dgilmore> notting: you get the pieces 16:32 < f13> more likea moin wake 16:32 < mmcgrath> I'm going to be replacing lockbox soon, as well as db1. 16:32 < dgilmore> :) 16:32 < mmcgrath> db3 is going to get brought up as a dedicated koji instance. 16:32 < mmcgrath> also we'll get 2 more application servers. 16:33 < mmcgrath> So... lots of stuff going on there. 16:33 < dgilmore> can we look at retiring hammer2, xenbuilder1 and ppc1 16:33 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: yeah, I was going to let those crazy old boxes die on their own but once the new blade centers are online we may decide to just get rid of them. 16:33 < mmcgrath> honestly as cheap as hammer2 is of a box, I can't believe its still going. 16:34 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: xenbuilder1 is the same hardware 16:34 < dgilmore> :) 16:34 < mmcgrath> yeah 16:34 < mmcgrath> they're both dirt old and somehow still kicking. 16:34 < mmcgrath> So does anyone have any concerns or comments or things they want me to do while I'm in PHX? 16:34 < dgilmore> ppc1 is only a few months younger 16:34 < mmcgrath> I'm not sure if it will be this trip or next but I'd like to move all of the buildsystem hardware into the same rack. 16:34 * dgilmore just wants the blades :) 16:35 < dgilmore> that would be nice 16:35 < dgilmore> though the bladecenter im assuming has a built in switch we will be using 16:35 < mmcgrath> Just so, if we decide to move it somewhere, we can easily say "yes, U4-19 of this rack is all the blade center gear, move it to the new $DATA_CENTER" 16:35 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: correct. 16:36 < mmcgrath> But after the new db3 is up and after we get xen2 dedicated to releng and build stuff we will have a complete separation of services of the build system from the rest of our services. 16:36 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: maybe look at it for the next trip 16:36 < mmcgrath> and thats a good thing. 16:36 < mmcgrath> alllrighty. 16:36 < dgilmore> move the ppc boxes and xenbuilder4 to the same place as the blade center 16:36 < mmcgrath> <nod> 16:36 < mmcgrath> So thats really all I had for this meeting 16:36 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Open Floor 16:36 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? 16:37 < mmcgrath> any noobs joining the team that want to say hi? 16:37 * dgilmore has been working on getting F-9 on the XO 16:37 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: how's that going? 16:37 < dgilmore> mmcgrath: slowly 16:37 < f13> I've got aline on some hardware donations from Pogo, that I'm getting more information on 16:37 < dgilmore> we got a nasty hack to mack upstart work 16:37 < wfp> I guess I'd be the noob joining the team, hi! 16:37 < dgilmore> im going to try make it better before making notting cry 16:38 < mmcgrath> wfp: hello! 16:38 < dgilmore> hi wfp 16:38 < mmcgrath> wfp: want to say a little about yourself and what you're interested in doing? 16:38 < notting> dgilmore: why would i cry? 16:38 < wfp> I sent an into to the mailing list. I've been doing SysAdmin and development for about 20 years now. 16:39 < wfp> (and why do I always mistype intro) Anyhow, not sure what/where to help. Just need to see what's needed. 16:39 < dgilmore> notting: it turns security off 16:40 < mmcgrath> wfp: well welcome. hang out in #fedora-admin and get to know everyone and whats going on. We're in a change freeze right now so not much actual admining is happening :) 16:40 < abadger1999> wfp: Welcome aboard! 16:40 < mmcgrath> Ok, well does anyone have anything else to discuss? If not we'll close the meeting in 30 16:40 < mmcgrath> 20 16:40 < mmcgrath> q0 16:40 < mmcgrath> 10 16:40 < mmcgrath> 5 16:40 * skvidal likes q0 16:41 -!- mmcgrath changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Meeting DOOM! 16:41 < mmcgrath> I mean, meeting end. 16:41 < mmcgrath> Alrighty everyone. thanks for coming 16:41 < caillon> i'm gonna sing the doom song now! 16:41 < nirik> is that the new diet nyQuel with 0 calories? 16:41 < dgilmore> thanks mmcgrath
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