Hi Max, * Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse@xxxxxxxxxx> [2014-10-31 04:18]: > >>> > >>>Fedora 20 used to have 3 different Java versions (5, 7, 8). > >> > >>ok, why no Java 6 ? > > > >Besides many technical reason the biggest one is non-technical in my eyes > >- no one volunteered to do it. You know it's always a matter of "who will > >do the work?". I'm pretty sure that if someone jumps in and say "Hey, I'll > >maintain Java 6, fix problems/adopt Java 6 to changes in the OS if > >neeeded, help strengthen the switching between JREs, go through the Java > >projects(shipped in Fedora) and help them properly set their targets in > >build scripts so builds properly work on Java 6 and etc" there will be no > >objection to having Java 6. :) > > Fair enough. > > >>>OpenJDK 7 > >>>was removed from F21 because its support will end before F21 EOL and > >>>we > >>>don't want to ship software not supported by upstream. > >> > >>So for users most stable thing is to use Oracle JDK builds instead which > >>are and will stay available ? > > > >Users can still try to use it but it's something that they have to do on > >their own - download, extract, set PATH, etc. Just like on every platform > >with Oracle JVM. > > Yeah, this is similar experience for developers on all other platforms so > its expected/assumed. > > >>No separate repo with "binaries that is currently supported but will not > >>stay supported for all of fedora 21 lifetime" ? > > > >1. Fedora can not legally redistribute Oracle JDK. > > I know - hence why I would think having a openjdk 7 build would make sense. > Oracle JDK7 and OpenJDK 7 will both EOL in April 2015: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html So they will expire within the lifetime of Fedora 20 and 21, and it again comes down to volunteer for maintainership at that point. > >2. Fedora can not distribute something that Fedora developers can not > >support if there is a problem in it (as it is with Oracle JDK). > > so *any* package that is known to be marked as EOL sometime in the future > before the upcoming Fedora EOL's gets removed from that future Fedora > release ? Even that Java 7 is still the most used and targeted Java version > ? > That is not the case. OpenJDK7 will EOL before 20 and 21, and despite that, we will support it in 20. OpenJDK7 has been removed only from Fedora 21. > How does fedora handle it when a package stops being maintained midstream > with not proper warning ? Do they get removed or just lets getting be stale > ? > > If removed - why couldn't that be done for Java7 ? > > If just letting get stale - why couldn't that be done for Java7 ? Security is the biggest reason for not doing this. Java has CPUs each quarter at the least, so within 3 months we would end up with a version with major security issues. > > And I assume the answers is you just don't have time/power to maintain it > and thats is fully grokkable - but then > it seems to me it would be good for users if we at least explain how they > can use another Java 7 in fedora eclipse context (which was the initial > question here) > We shouldn't recommend users to use an unsupported, insecure version. I understand that that is not the case right now, but it will be within a few months of F21 being released. The appropriate solution IMO is that users file bugs for 8 and we fix them so that everyone can benefit. (Will let Alex answer about Eclipse part below). Cheers, Deepak > Thus is the answer to that to tell users to have their custom eclipse.ini > pointing at the oracle JDK 7 and then > launch eclipse pointing to the vm ? > > Like 'eclipse --launcher.ini <ini.location>' > > As described in https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse.ini and http://help.eclipse.org/indigo/index.jsp?topic=%2Forg.eclipse.platform.doc.isv%2Freference%2Fmisc%2Fruntime-options.html > > or is there any known problems with that ? > > /max > http://about.me/maxandersen > -- > java-devel mailing list > java-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devel -- java-devel mailing list java-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/java-devel
