On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 04, 2015 at 02:10:05PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: >> > But in order to be really useful unless they're all-in on Fedora, many >> > people will want the python version for their >> > infrastructure/environment, not whichever python we happen to ship in a >> > given release. >> "I will provide flexibility and utility by providing no flexibility >> and utility" sounds like a crappy marketing point to me. > > > For a practical example: Ansible doesn't currently support Python 3. If > we change the cloud image to python3 — as is the expected plan, right? Remains to be seen. I'm skeptical the distro-wide default will switch tbh. > — having that system python there doesn't provide any benefit. It's > just extra weight. Um, ok. It's extra weight for people that don't use python. In this case, what would be the solution to getting python on your cloud image? Would you do it via SCL or via some kind of container overlay or? > The early PRD called for a library of different images for different > purposes, in addition to the base, and I think we're still interested > in that — it's just not ready yet. That might include various > ansible-ready or puppet-ready images, possibly with other tools > installed as fits the use case. That sounds like it will have all the problems we currently face with Spins. Too many choices, too much burden to produce, too little overall benefit for deviation, too niche, too much churn from release to release and new tech of the day. Why would we choose to repeat those same mistakes? While I have no vested interest in Cloud, I'd rather see an image that is flexible with utilities for people to customize and build on top of even if that means it isn't the tiniest, thinnest image out there. josh _______________________________________________ cloud mailing list cloud@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
