On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, David Huff wrote: > On 01/20/2010 04:23 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: > > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > >> > >>> I'll start this thread. I'm firmly in the "a cloud is an operations > >>> model" camp. It's important because when people say "I want a cloud" and > >>> we say "You want ovirt" or "you want eucalyptus." I think that's wrong. > >> > >> OK, fair enough. But there are also tools that are well suited to support > >> that operations model, and tools that are poorly suited. > >> > >> If you build good enough tools, they become Technology with a capital T. > >> That's what can happen when the open source model works. Too many folks > >> are trying to start on the Product end, instead of starting on the tools > >> end (and by extension, the users end). My $0.02. > >> > >> I'm interested in tools approaches that help our users. I think that's > >> the advantage that Fedora can provide -- a group of knowledgeable folks > >> who share and refine the best tools. Red Hat benefits if those tools, > >> over time, emerge into a Product for which Red Hat can sell support. > >> > > > > Tools that help our users do what? It can't be cloud stuff because at > > that point it's circular reasoning. > > > > -Mike > > Well there are three components of cloud stuff > > 1) The images that run the guests, the hypervisor, or node. > > 2) Cloud management, They manage not only the underlying nodes but also > the guest on the nodes. > > 3) The guests > There are three components of virtualization: 1) The hosts that run the guests 2) A way to manage the guests. 3) The guests. I hope I don't become that cranky guy. But as someone that's been using virtualization for a long time and get the difference between clouds and virtualization... I see the majority of the planet doesn't see the difference and it bugs me to no end because it causes decisions, planning, resource commitments to be completely misplaced. -Mike
