On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Mike McGrath wrote: > > > I'll start this thread. I'm firmly in the "a cloud is an operations > > model" camp. It's important because when people say "I want a cloud" and > > we say "You want ovirt" or "you want eucalyptus." I think that's wrong. > > OK, fair enough. But there are also tools that are well suited to support > that operations model, and tools that are poorly suited. > > If you build good enough tools, they become Technology with a capital T. > That's what can happen when the open source model works. Too many folks > are trying to start on the Product end, instead of starting on the tools > end (and by extension, the users end). My $0.02. > > I'm interested in tools approaches that help our users. I think that's > the advantage that Fedora can provide -- a group of knowledgeable folks > who share and refine the best tools. Red Hat benefits if those tools, > over time, emerge into a Product for which Red Hat can sell support. > Tools that help our users do what? It can't be cloud stuff because at that point it's circular reasoning. -Mike