I need more details on response from legal, I read the README.sources too: ********************************************************************** Here are the relevant sections of the email exchange: ---------- From: Steve Coe <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 18th Dec 2008 Snippet: Akarsh; I have no problem with you using the SAC data for the Kstars program. It was released with the rules that it is not sold as a seperate item. ----------- From: Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@xxxxxxxxx> To: Steve Coe <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: 5th May 2009 Snippet: To start with, I have tried merging NGC and IC data from SAC into our database, and I've attached a copy of the stuff I intend to ship with KStars. I wiill release this in the next version of KStars if I have the permission to redistribute it under GPL. I would like to expand the dataset to include most of the data in the SAC database in the near future. ----------- From: Steve Coe <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@xxxxxxxxx> Date: 5th May 2009 Akarsh; Seeing as how the SAC data is available in both Sky Map Pro and Guide, which are "for sale" planetarium programs, I can see no problem with allowing you to include it in KStars. I hope your project goes well. **************************************************************** Also, in the catalog file ngcic.dat: # NGC/IC catalog (c) 2003-2009 by # Jason Harris <kstars@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Akarsh Simha <akarsh.simha@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Steve Coe <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> # # This catalog was constructed from: # 1. Saguaro Astronomy Club Deep Sky Database version 8.0 [Data used with permission] <http://www.saguaroastro.org/content/downloads.htm> # 2. Jason Harris' NGC/IC catalog licensed under GPL, constructed from public domain sources (See earlier revisions of this file) # 3. Refering to Wikipedia and SIMBAD for a few individual objects # # This catalog has made some use of the SIMBAD database, operated at CDS, Strasbourg, France: # http://simbad.u-strasbg.fr/simbad # # This catalog is released under the GNU General Public License: # http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html So *IMHO* KStars got permission to ship the stuff under GPL. Greetings, Christian On 03/23/2016 08:05 PM, Christian Dersch wrote: > OK, looks like Debian doesn't ship Skychart. > > On 03/23/2016 07:53 PM, Christian Dersch wrote: >> Hi Mattia, >> >> at least for KStars that should be not a big deal as the catalog is also >> available through KStars content downloader already used for additional >> catalogs like Tycho. I think we should query upstream projects on >> details. Also, if Fedora is affected at least Debian (and thus Ubuntu) >> and openSUSE are affected too, so we have the majority of Linux users. I >> will discuss with KStars developers as the upstream tarballs are also >> nonfree then. >> >> For me retiring all related packages is really not an option, we would >> loose one of the main features of the Astronomy Spin. For Skychart: Is >> the affected package the main package or an additional data package? >> >> There are also free resources: >> http://cdsarc.u-strasbg.fr/viz-bin/Cat?VII/1B created by NASA => should >> be in the public domain. But the one from W. Steinicke seems to be the >> best one... >> >> Greetings, >> Christian >> >> On 03/23/2016 07:16 PM, Mattia Verga wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I'm having a discussion on the Legal mailing list about the usage of >>> databases like the Saguaro Astronomy Club catalog [2] or Dr. Wolfgang >>> Steinicke NGC database [2]. >>> For example Kstars uses the SAC catalog as source for its NGC >>> database. From the SOURCES.readme file in kstars sources [3]: >>>> SAC Catalog >>>> =========== >>>> >>>> Part of our NGC/IC data is obtained from the Saguaro Astronomy Club >>>> catalog, compiled by Steve Coe. >>>> >>>> While the website seemed to indicate that the catalog is only >>>> available for non-commercial use (and hence incompatible with KStars), >>>> Akarsh Simha received a correspondence with Steve Coe, who is the >>>> Copyright holder of the catalog. >>>> >>>> Here are the relevant sections of the email exchange: >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> >>>> From: Steve Coe <stevecoe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> Date: 18th Dec 2008 >>>> >>>> Snippet: >>>> >>>> >>>> Akarsh; >>>> >>>> I have no problem with you using the SAC data for the Kstars program. >>>> It was released with the rules that it is not sold as a seperate item. >>> The opinion on the Legal mailing list [4] is such sources are not >>> compatible with Fedora/RHEL: >>> From Tom Callaway reply: >>>> Any license with a commercial use restriction is non-free. Material >>>> under such a license must not be distributed in Fedora, either in source >>>> or binary RPM. >>> I think Skychart also uses SAC catalog for building its NGC database. >>> If such sources are incompatible what choices we have to fix that? I >>> don't find any other reliable and updated sources for NGC objects data >>> and even if there is one I don't think all the developers will change >>> their code only because Fedora doesn't like it. In Kstars case they >>> also had the permission from SAC to use their data. >>> So are the only choices to remove NGC catalogs from packages (with a >>> major loss in usability) or to retire packages from Fedora/EPEL? >>> >>> Mattia >>> >>> >>> [1] http://www.saguaroastro.org/content/downloads.htm >>> [2] http://www.klima-luft.de/steinicke/ngcic/ngcic_e.htm >>> [3] https://github.com/KDE/kstars/tree/master/kstars/data >>> [4] >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/legal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/thread/WFSHYAQRG7GS2OQSXRVAV64H2GHZAV2F/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora astronomy mailing list >>> astronomy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/astronomy >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora astronomy mailing list >> astronomy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/astronomy > _______________________________________________ > Fedora astronomy mailing list > astronomy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/astronomy _______________________________________________ Fedora astronomy mailing list astronomy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Astronomy https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/astronomy
