On 27/03/2020 20:29, James Cassell wrote: > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> Innuendo is a veiled or equivocal attack on character or reputation. This >> isn’t respectful discourse and is not okay as a member of the Fedora >> community. >> > > Sounds like, "discuss personnel issues in private and only among impacted parties." Seems reasonable for 99% of cases. What's the recourse for the other 1%? > > I decided look it up the words on Google because I haven't studied language. [1] > > Based on the definition, the term "innuendo" seems to apply to the muted thread, as well as the term "equivocal." > > This thread, on the other hand clears the uncertainty of the previous discussion, though obviously doesn't tell all sides. Telling all sides wouldn't be a productive use of any developer's time If you look at every organization with a Code of Conduct today, you will see a text about their private reporting procedures. Everything about the CoC has to be private. Until it isn't private any more, as this example[1] clearly demonstrates. The whole nature of the CoC and secret evidence is asking us to put absolute trust in the CoC enforcers to be independent, unbiased, competent and, if we are really lucky, they have time to actually meet people on all sides, treat them as equals, review all evidence and make good decisions. The reality is very different. Nobody is really independent. If the project leader is thinking about relationships with other large projects, he may suffer from a subconscious bias and not look at the facts about individual cases. Suggesting that somebody violated the CoC, on the basis of secret evidence, is itself an example of spreading innuendo. You can't fight fire with fire and you can't fight innuendo with innuendo. Did anybody here read Farenheit 451? If you are in coronavirus lockdown right now, I can highly recommend it. This is where it becomes ridiculous: by relying on secret complaints from somebody in Debian, Matt Miller is putting trust in innuendo to make a declaration of innuendo. Regards, Daniel 1. https://debian.community/google-influence-free-open-source-software-community-threats-sanctions-bullying/ 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451 _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list -- council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to council-discuss-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
