----- On Nov 19, 2015, at 2:57 AM, Josh Boyer jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Robert Mayr > <robyduck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> 2015-11-18 16:26 GMT+01:00 Jan Kurik <jkurik@xxxxxxxxxx>: >>> >>> Hi Council and Ambassadors, >>> >>> I was pointed by several people to the fact that FAmSCo is (or should >>> be) an inactive committee and I was questioned why we are organizing >>> elections for this committee. >>> >>> As I understand the situation, there is an aim to replace FAmSCo by >>> FOSCo & Council. However the current FAmSCo is securing some "level of >>> service" for Ambassadors, which is not yet covered by any other >>> group/team/governance body within the Fedora community. As such, I was >>> explicitly ask by Ambassadors to organize the elections for FAmSCo >>> team as well, to make sure FAmSCo will operate till the time we have a >>> full replacement for it. >>> >>> However, it seems like we do not have a full agreement on this topic >>> [1]. I would like to have a discussion here, to come up with a common >>> agreement whether we support the idea of having FAmSCo operational for >>> now or we have other solution. >>> >>> [1] >>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2015-11-17/fedora-meeting-2.2015-11-17-17.03.log.html >>> - 17:23:27 >> Thank you Jan for this open discussion, I'm adding here some more >> informations. >> First of all FAmSCo is not dead and never has been officially dismissed, but >> FAmSCo decided months ago to hand all its repsonibilities over to FOSCo, >> which was planned as an even bigger committee, and which should have >> included also the Ambassador's activities. Therefor we reduced the activity >> and after some meetings without reaching a quorum FAmSCo decided to act only >> through the Trac until new elections would happen or FOSCo will start its >> activity. >> Many thing happened in the meanwhile and we are going towards a new and >> hopefully better budgeting process (thanks to all who worked on it and who >> are discussing it), but as you said this is not the only responsibility >> FAmSCo actually has. Unfortunately FAmSCo missed some of its deadlines, >> there is for example the EMEA FAD planning, release parties, F23 media and >> other stuff (which in the end happened partially but not in a coordinated >> way as before). >> >> That's why I would welcome, unless we will not reach the minimum number of 7 >> candidates, new elections. These new memebers could give continuity to >> FAmSCo's activities and the big ambassadors group, on the other hand they >> could actively help the integration of the actual FAmSCo responsibilities >> into the Council, FOSCo or whatever. >> Canceling the Ambassadors Steering Committee without replacing *all* its >> activities is not the best way if we don't want to loose some parts of the >> community, so IMO let's do elections and find the best solution to pass over >> all the stuff and try to represent _all_ regions in the body who will take >> over in the future the FAmSCo job. > > Forgive me, but I have not followed the ambassador side of things for > a while. If FAmSCo isn't actually meeting (per the IRC conversation) > and isn't technically a thing any longer, what is the elected body to > do? Start meeting again? I totally agree with Jiri and Robert, just add more information: FAmSCo has Mission, Goals [1] and specific Tasks [2] to do. In fact, while waiting for the new body FOSCo formed up, except doing regular IRC meetings, we have been done others tasks normally. > I do not disagree with you at all that we need people performing the > tasks you highlight, but I'm not sure having an elected body to do > them is necessary. Once they are elected, are we to restart FAmSCo, > or would they only serve until FOSCo actually exists? Perhaps > volunteers would be better than elected members of a zombie > organization? The fact is FAmSCo in elected form would have more *power* than in volunteered form. Ambassadors expect their committee to do assigned tasks well and they elect for the most potential candidates. I personally think FAmSCo election should be continued. Rgds, Tuan [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Steering_Committee [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAmSCo_tasks _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
