On 06/02/2011 03:02 AM, Matt Clark wrote:
Kevin,
Thanks for the luck. We'll definitely need it, I don't see
any of what I'm talking about to be easy. :)
On officiality, I also think an official relationship (I'm
not sure what that means, but I took it as 'affiliation') with
the Fedora project would be wise either given that we need to
remain neutral if the intended service provided is mediation.
If we're under obligation to Fedora it will do exactly what you
suggested: It would be adding another layer and complicating
things.
However, a friendly joint effort wouldn't. Basically we just
need to figure out how we can administrate our respective
corners of the internet in a way that creates a little stable
harmony with each other. We'd like to see some penalty policies
for operators and admins, etc, be able to provide support to
users that otherwise wouldn't be getting that support from
#fedora (we're trying it out with just IRC right now), and a
good way to collect reports of abuse and to provide those
reports meaningfully to you guys through effective channels.
You keep beating the "operator abuse" drum, but I am still at a loss
as to any evidence of unresolved operator abuse. Perhaps the context
of this discussion should be moved away from your personal
experiences and be based on *actual* evidence of operator abuse? Or
just leave it alone?
From my perspective I think very few changes in programs or
policies would be needed to make that happen, this would
probably be mostly an unofficial loose agreement and seeing
where it goes.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Kevin
Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hey Matt.
First let me wish you luck with your group. More good support
resources
are always a good thing.
That said, I'm not sure any kind of official relationship
would be of
benefit. Another layer of mediation that is outside the
project seems to
be like it would just be adding in another layer and
complicating
things. Perhaps we could work to improve the processes in
place already
in the irc-support-sig instead of trying to integrate a
possible non
neutral third party into the process.
I look forward to hearing your (and anyone elses) ideas.
(The irc-support-sig meets on thrsdays at 17UTC in
#fedora-meeting).
kevin
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