On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:47 AM, seth vidal <skvidal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:46 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote: >> On 07/07/2010 10:16 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: >> >> > I'm still not sold on a code per se, >> >> At the risk of being repetitive, let me go into more why I firmly >> believe we need this badly. I'd like to think that many(some?) of those >> folks that can be coerced/taught to be community-friendly simply do not >> know what they are doing is wrong/bad, and have no clear understanding >> of that is expected of them. >> >> Yes, this could be seen as largely common-sense by some, but when it >> comes to large communities comprised of many different cultures whose >> primary communication channels are not face-to-face, it's often far from >> obvious. >> > > I have to ask this: Do you honestly believe that the poisonous people we > have in our community don't understand that what they are doing is > harmful? Are we to believe that they've never been in common human > society before, that fedora was their first introduction to > working/interacting with others? >From general statistics of narcism in human populations etc, for ~5 of them , they are not going to see what they do as harmful, and in the end the only thing will be to exclude them . For the others I doubt they are realize it or know what or how they are doing things are not working. Having spent a lot of time lately with asperger's, a lot of actions seem completely logical and came from good intentions but had no idea on the effect it would have. Nor do even most neuro-typical people understand that minority views dealt with in face-to-face meetings get completely different human reactions than in email exchanges.. > I'm sorry, I don't think that's the case, they are not 'babes in the > woods'. They are toxic and a CoC is not gonna cut it, IMO. Laws never stop crimes. However hanging people never seemed to stop others from doing it later either. [To extend your wild-west analogy.] A Code of Conduct or a Bill of Rights, are just words on paper or things that a community uses to define itself. Depending on if "Broken Window" social theory is correct.. (and its a big if I realize) little things like Codes of Conduct if taken seriously mean a lot more to temper out things than larger issues. > -sv > > > > > _______________________________________________ > advisory-board mailing list > advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board > -- Stephen J Smoogen. “The core skill of innovators is error recovery, not failure avoidance.” Randy Nelson, President of Pixar University. "We have a strategic plan. It's called doing things."" — Herb Kelleher, founder Southwest Airlines _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
