On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:09 PM, inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:57:56 -0500 >> Rex Dieter <rdieter@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> On the open question of how to discourage/prevent poisonous <foo>, I >>> suggest doing something similar as was done in the kde project a >>> couple of years ago to help deal with similar issues. I propose >>> creating something in fedora akin to the 'kde community working >>> group', http://ev.kde.org/workinggroups/cwg.php >>> >>> I consider it vitally important that everyone in the fedora community >>> feel safe, know fedora supports them, and that there be a clear >>> contact person/group to go to in cases where they experience any >>> non-excellent behavior. >>> >>> Now, being excellent has taken us quite a ways, but I think it's time >>> to consider doing better, so... >> >> I like this as a possibly way to find areas of Fedora where our >> community isn't as welcoming as we all would like and have people that >> can join in and provide positive info and answers (ignoring or letting >> the unwelcoming people drift off to the fringe). > > At the risk of making Greg burst out laughing, I think this is exactly > what the Fedora Project needs, a Nant'an in each sub-community of > Fedora who sets a proper tone and is followed because of his example, > not because he has any authority. We do have quite a few people setting great examples out there. Both Mr. Fenzi and Mr. Dieter are probably tired of being pointed out as examples, but well... there you have it. ;-) And they've each been operating that way for years now, which is a good reason why this issue should be taken seriously. >> I do think we should be carefull here not to empower this group with >> all kinds of punishment ability or enforcement. Negativity feeds on >> more Negativity. ;) > > And this would be exactly what we don't need, a prison system run by > the Fedora Board or some other central authority. As soon as you add > the "or else" clause, enumerate powers to enforce and punish the evil > among us it transforms it from being a positive motivating statement > to being one that is based on inducing fear in the rabble. And the > rabble will just get more ornery. > > Over time a code of conduct can frame our expectations. But I would > like those expectations to be *our* expectations of our own behavior, > not an understanding of what *you* expect from us. John, I'm betting my expectations aren't far different from yours, but I don't know for sure. Speaking as one friend and fellow community member to another, what are your expectations of my behavior? Paul _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
