Hi! Josh said some good stuff already, no need to repeat all of it. But: On 20.03.2007 23:34, Christopher Blizzard wrote: > I honestly believe that Greg, Max, Jeremy, Jesse, and the other folks > who lead inside of the Fedora community are interested in building a > community of doing, not a culture of talking. We respect those who Do > Things and encourage them. Jesse, Jeremy, Mike McGrath are good > examples of this - they are lead-by-doing people and it works. >From my point of view I'd say it works to get stuff done, but it doesn't work to get the community involved ATM. FESCo was good (but still far from perfect) in getting the community involved, as it had influence in certain decisions and meets in the open. With the merge happening now it seem FESCo seems to me much less important then before; to much small to medium stuff gets simply done without even bothering to ask FESCo -- that's a fault IMHO. A lot of medium to big stuff gets directly taken to the board -- FESCo afaics often gets circumvented, even if the tasks are engeneering tasks. And that's what FESCo is for afaics. One example: The "Packaging Committee is responsible for EPEL, too". I'd say this should have been acked in a FESCo meeting, as FESCo is the Committee that i responsible for both the Packaging Committee and EPEL. But it seems the Board simply took it up now and made it effective before FESCo could even talk about it in a meeting. The result if totally fine for me as I was one of those that asked for this setup. But IMHO it would have been FESCo's job to ack it -- after that it could have been brought to the board (if needed). Why is FESCo so important to me you might ask? Well, it's the committee where the community can get heard and get involved in the meeting. That's hardly the case in the Board meetings -- the broadcasting to IRC is nice, but it's goes mostly in one direction. FESCo meetings are way more interactive, and that's IMHO needed to get the community involved. This and a whole lot of similar really really bothers me ATM and I could write a whole lot about that. But I'm currently in the waiting state; the merge is a whole lot of work and I can understand that some things are not perfect yet and need getting them done is ATM a bit more important then to make sure we have a proper organization scheme. But I'd say we really need to work on improving it soon and need to be a bit more careful. CU thl _______________________________________________ fedora-advisory-board mailing list fedora-advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board
