Hi Radek, On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 14:11 +0100, Radek Vykydal wrote: > On 11/12/2010 05:19 AM, MÃirÃn Duffy wrote: > > I think the next logical step is to examine the current state of our > > installation process, identifying the issues we see today, and > > brainstorming ways to improve the experience of installing Fedora. > here is some update on anaconda networking UI and repository UI > from my side. Awesome, thanks for the great writeup + screencasts! > 1) network configuration/enablement: > > I posted some patches integrating NetworkManger Applet > into anaconda. They follow addition of NetworkManager Connection Editor > in F14: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-November/msg00144.html > (screencasts included) > > The patchset is introducing (as a requirement) a panel which, I guess, would > change a lot about what we can and need to do wrt new anaconda UI design. Is there any room to change how this works in Anaconda? I have a few usability concerns regarding the way it appears in the screencast; I have some ideas on how to improve the workflow but I don't know how invasive they may be. If you're willing though, we could hash it back and forth a bit to see if we can improve it. To explain the usability concerns I have, let me walk through one of the screencasts you provided on the newer mailing list post: Case: User wants to complete an install using a network repository. * 1 - The messaging regarding the network connection requirement occurs on the installation target device screen. I think this could be a bit misleading, as it makes it seem that either (a) a network connection is required to choose an install target in this case or (b) a network connection is required to move forward in the installer, but we don't know what the next step is and we don't appear to be given a choice to opt-out of it to continue without network. * 2 - Doesn't appear to have a way to opt-out. I may just be missing something (maybe outside of the context of the screencast this is clearer) but it seems as if install cannot continue without that network connection. I think there should be a way to move forward without the network connection. * 3 - The icon to turn on the network connection is unlabeled, maybe 22x22 px... it doesn't stand out very much. I think having a panel in the installer is weird, and in this case it's also fairly inconspicuous because the installer is the same color as the panel. The pop-up dialog doesn't explain to the user where on the screen to go or what to do in order to configure the network. The icon also isn't really clear - the artwork is posed as more of a status icon than an action icon. * 4 - Little metadata is provided to the user Which feature requires the network connection? What repos will I gain access to if I go to the trouble of configuring the network? It's not really clear in the messaging. When (in the workflow of anaconda) do you think it makes the most sense to turn on the network? What selection in the UI caused the network requirement message to pop up? I think perhaps the ideal time to prompt the user to configure the network is when they opt-in to use a feature that requires the network, but I don't know when they are doing that in this screencast. I think rather than asking the user to go off and do it via the icon, it might be better to offer right inside the alert dialog to pop open the configuration dialog for the user. Something like, "You need a network connection to enable the installation of updated packages via a network. [ Skip ] [ Configure Network ]" > 2) proposition of repository UI change: > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/anaconda-devel-list/2010-September/msg00181.html > (with screencasts) > > This is more FYI. I'm not very optimistic about this change going into > anaconda. > Probably the repo UI (and offered functionality) will be changed more > fundamentally. Yeh it does seem like it needs more fundamental changes! E.g., in this particular screencast: http://rvykydal.fedorapeople.org/repoUI/example1patched.ogg When the error condition is hit, the user is asked if they would like to: [exit] [edit] [retry] [debug] Exit doesn't seem like a smart choice because you can't move forward without resolving the problem and exiting won't fix it. Edit is the right choice to fix it although it seems a circuitous route. Why not have a button, "Disable repo" or "Skip repo" so the user can move forward without going back to the repo config screen again? > > - This week I created screen-by-screen walkthroughs of the Live Media > > install process in F14 > > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/F14_Live_Media_Install ) and > > the DVD install process as well > > (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/F14_DVD_Install ). I also put > > together a comparison chart of the two methods - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/UX_Redesign/Current_Install_Process_Analysis > > > Network configuration is missing there, which I understand as it has been > changing recently. I'd only note that in Live CD it is not available > because the configuration should be done within the Live CD (not inastaller) > environment. It complies with my last patchset using NM applet in panel > which would be started only in non-LiveCD case. Great point. I did add network configuration as a row towards the top of the Current_Install_Process_Analysis wiki page table, and I noted it's done through the live environment on LiveCD, and done via the NetworkManager panel in Anaconda for the DVD column. I hope this all makes sense; what do you think? ~M _______________________________________________ Anaconda-devel-list mailing list Anaconda-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/anaconda-devel-list
