On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 06:32:33PM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 11/08/2013 05:17 PM, Ben Myers wrote: > >Hey Ric, > > > >On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 05:07:45PM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote: > >>On 11/08/2013 05:03 PM, Ben Myers wrote: > >>>Hey Ric, > >>> > >>>On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 03:50:21PM -0500, Ric Wheeler wrote: > >>>>On 11/08/2013 03:46 PM, Ben Myers wrote: > >>>>>Hey Christoph, > >>>>> > >>>>>On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 11:34:24AM -0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > >>>>>>On Fri, Nov 08, 2013 at 12:03:37PM -0600, Ben Myers wrote: > >>>>>>>Mark is replacing Alex as my backup because Alex is really busy at > >>>>>>>Linaro and asked to be taken off awhile ago. The holiday season is > >>>>>>>coming up and I fully intend to go off my meds, turn in to Fonzy the > >>>>>>>bear, and eat my hat. I need someone to watch the shop while I'm off > >>>>>>>exploring on Mars. I trust Mark to do that because he is totally > >>>>>>>awesome. > >>>>>>Doing this as an unilateral decisions is not something that will win you > >>>>>>a fan base. > >>>>>It's posted for review. > >>>>> > >>>>>>While we never had anything reassembling a democracy in Linux Kernel > >>>>>>development making decisions without even contacting the major > >>>>>>contributor is wrong, twice so if the maintainer is a relatively minor > >>>>>>contributor to start with. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Just because it recent came up elsewhere I'd like to recite the > >>>>>>definition from Trond here again: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000066.html > >>>>>> > >>>>>>By many of the creative roles enlisted there it's clear that Dave should > >>>>>>be the maintainer. He's been the main contributor and chief architect > >>>>>>for XFS for many year, while the maintainers came and went at the mercy > >>>>>>of SGI. This is not meant to bad mouth either of you as I think you're > >>>>>>doing a reasonably good job compared to other maintainers, but at the > >>>>>>same time the direction is set by other people that have a much longer > >>>>>>involvement with the project, and having them officially in control > >>>>>>would help us forward a lot. It would also avoid having to spend > >>>>>>considerable resources to train every new generation of SGI maintainer. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Coming to and end I would like to maintain Dave Chinner as the primary > >>>>>>XFS maintainer for all the work he has done as biggest contributor and > >>>>>>architect of XFS since longer than I can remember, and I would love to > >>>>>>retain Ben Myers as a co-maintainer for all the good work he has done > >>>>>>maintaining and reviewing patches since November 2011. > >>>>>I think we're doing a decent job too. So thanks for that much at least. ;) > >>>>>>I would also like to use this post as a public venue to condemn the > >>>>>>unilateral smokey backroom decisions about XFS maintainership that SGI is > >>>>>>trying to enforce on the community. > >>>>>That really didn't happen Christoph. It's not in my tree or in a pull request. > >>>>> > >>>>>Linus, let me know what you want to do. I do think we're doing a fair job over > >>>>>here, and (geez) I'm just trying to add Mark as my backup since Alex is too > >>>>>busy. I know the RH people want more control, and that's understandable, but > >>>>>they really don't need to replace me to get their code in. Ouch. > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>> Ben > >>>>Christoph is not a Red Hat person. > >>>> > >>>>Jeff is from Oracle. > >>>> > >>>>This is not a Red Hat vs SGI thing, > >>>Sorry if my read on that was wrong. > >>I do appreciate the work and effort you and the SGI team put in but > >>think that this will be a good way to keep the community happier and > >>even more productive going forward. > >> > >>>>Dave simply has earned the right > >>>>to take on the formal leadership role of maintainer. > >>>Then we're gonna need some Reviewed-bys. ;) > >>Those should come from the developers, thanks! > >I actually do need your Reviewed-by. We'll try and get this one in 3.13. ;) > > > >Thanks, > > Ben > > Happy to do that - I do think that Dave mostly posts from his > redhat.com account, but he can comment once he gets back online. > > Reviewed-by: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxx> Thanks Ric. ;) _______________________________________________ xfs mailing list xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx http://oss.sgi.com/mailman/listinfo/xfs
