(Sorry for the double, Eric) Hi, I'm having similar problems. I've reinstalled DevTools (July2k, no updates), and installed X via the Xinstall app from http://umn.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xonx/XInstall_10.1.sit . This installs 4.2.0. As with Lamont, this _has_ worked, but no longer. I don't recall it working since I installed Jaguar, actually. (I'm sending this to fink folk as well, but I thought I'd cast my line here.) When I start up from console, I get the gray X screen, and a spinning mac lollipop (in grayscale?), which sits there forever doing nothing until I reboot. Starting from terminal (startx -- -quartz, standard permissions) yesterday gave something similar, where it was waiting for Xwindows to begin accepting events (or something like that, I didn't write it down, stupidly) and it waited until I tired of it. Starting from the terminal (starx -- -quartz, standard permissions) gives the following: "" 2002-10-31 11:53:45.511 XDarwin[480] XDarwin 1.1 Running in parallel with Mac OS X Quartz window server. XFree86 Version 4.2.0 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 18 January 2002 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your hardware is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Darwin Using keymapping provided in /System/Library/Keyboards/USA.keymapping. Display mode: Full screen Quartz Screen 0 added: 1024x768 @ (0,0) cat: /Users/avaughan/.Xauthority: No such file or directory dyld: xterm Undefined symbols: xterm undefined reference to _tgetent expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib xterm undefined reference to _tgetstr expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib dyld: xterm Undefined symbols: xterm undefined reference to _tgetent expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib xterm undefined reference to _tgetstr expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib dyld: xterm Undefined symbols: xterm undefined reference to _tgetent expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib xterm undefined reference to _tgetstr expected to be defined in /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib waiting for X server to shut down Quitting XDarwin... ..... "" libSystem.B.dylib doesn't exist, although libSystem.dylib (a binary) does. ~/.Xauthority doesn't exist, but .Xauth-OSX does. I'm loathe to change anything in /usr/lib/, though I suppose I could try renaming .Xauth-OSX to .Xauthority Any hints? Thanks, Alex _______________________________________________ Newbie@XFree86.Org *** To unsubscribe , or change message options, see: http://XFree86.Org/mailman/listinfo/newbie