On Wed, 12-Jun-2002 at 11:59PM -0700, Lionel Lecoq wrote:
|> I cannot help you much more. Just mention a couple of things:
|>
[....]
|> timings. These numbers are the hdisp, hsyncstart, hsyncend, and
|> htotal values. The third section is a list of four numbers speci
|> fying the vertical timings. These numbers are the vdisp,
|> vsyncstart, vsyncend, and vtotal values. example using 85hz:
That's something new and useful for me, anyway, but it doesn't tell me
what I need to know for this purpose. Looks as though I'm just going
to have to experiment and if it wrecks the monitor, too bad. It's
useless how it is.
|> Modeline "1024x768" 85.00 1024 1100 1292 1328 768 771 781 794 -hsync -vsync
|>
|> Hope that helps
Thanks for you time on this one.
best
P
|> Lionel
|>
|>
|> --- Patrick Connolly <p.connolly@hortresearch.co.nz> wrote:
|> > On Wed, 12-Jun-2002 at 12:08AM -0700, Lionel Lecoq wrote:
|> >
|> > |> Sorry not to be able to give you much details: I usally don't have
|> > |> any modeline and synch info in my config (4.1) X seems to find its
|> > |> way, I append an example of my monitor section:
|> >
|> > |> Section "Monitor"
|> > |> Identifier "my monitor"
|> > |> VendorName "Unknown"
|> > |> ModelName "Unknown"
|> > |> HorizSync 31-70 # it's a rather old beast with modest specs
|> > |> VertRefresh 55-120
|> > |> Option "dpms"
|> > |> EndSection
|> > |>
|> >
|> > From my understanding, that would use the highest dots clock possible.
|> > I want to use a lower one on account of interference produced from the
|> > highest dots clock. I think I need to reduce it from 99 to 85. There
|> > must a way of specifying just which frequencies something like how it
|> > was done with modlines, but the most recent HOW-TOs seem to indicate
|> > it's all trivial and seem to refer to XF86Config (not XF86Config-4)
|> > with the objective of getting a default configuration to work, but I
|> > don't notice anything in Linux XFree86 HOWTO that refers to what I'm
|> > interested in. I don't think .xinitrc is the area I'm interested in.
|> >
|> >
|> > |> I would assume that unless you are faced with a ticklish monitor
|> > you could also do it that way
|> >
|> >
|> > |> -hsync means something different from
|> > |> -Hsync (don't ask me what I knew it long ago but have
|> > |> forgotten, there is an HOWTO as well as a small program to mess
|> > |> around with these parameters if you go into the docs...)
|> >
|> > I also didn't notice anything in XFree86 Video Timings HOWTO about
|> > such a difference. Perhaps I missed it. If they're different, I
|> > could be doing damage. Perhaps for the particular mode I'm interested
|> > in, it makes sense to have the section empty? On two different
|> > systems, it comes up so. One machine seems to be using it -- or at
|> > least something that has that frequency and resolution information.
|> >
|> > |> Those modelines were found more often in 3.3.6 configs are you
|> > |> running 3.3.6?
|> >
|> > No. It's XFree86 Version 4.2.0 (Red Hat Linux release: 4.2.0-8). I'm
|> > still mystified about the XF86Config-4 file which appears not to be
|> > used -- at lest WRT dots clock and resolution.
|> >
|> > best
|> >
|> > P
|> >
|> >
|> >
|> > |> Lionel
|> > |>
|> > |> --- Patrick Connolly <p.connolly@hortresearch.co.nz> wrote:
|> > |> > On Tue, 11-Jun-2002 at 06:59AM -0700, Lionel Lecoq wrote:
|> > |> >
|> > |> > |> The reasonable way to find out which version of X you are running
|> > |> > |> is to either do X -version or look in the log
|> > |> >
|> > |> > That's a more obvious way, of course. I can't quite imagine what the
|> > |> > thinking would be behind the directions RedHat gives.
|> > |> >
|> > |> >
|> > |> > |> (/var/log/XFree86.0.log) Once you know what you are running,
|> > |> > |> assuming you have both 3.3.6 and 4.x.x then you can switch from the
|> > |> >
|> > |> > I'm not particularly interested in changing between them. It works
|> > |> > fine except I'd like to change the dots clock. I just want to know
|> > |> > where the best place to modify the configuration is.
|> > |> >
|> > |> > It might make sense to copy the modeline and corresponding lines from
|> > |> > XF86Config to XF86Config-4 so that they'll be used there -- I use
|> > |> > Version 4.2.0. But do we know the XF86Config file will be ignored?
|> > |> > That's the sort of information I would like to have clarified.
|> > |> >
|> > |> > I'm a little reluctant to try it out since the line I'd like to be able
|> > |> > to use makes no mention of -hsync and -vsync.
|> > |> >
|> > |> > # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync
|> > |> > Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823
|> > |> >
|> > |> > Or would it be better to simply quote out the line I don't want used?
|> > |> > BTW: Is '-hsync' the same as '-Hsync'? It appears from other parts of
|> > |> > the file to be so, but it might be in error.
|> > |> >
|> > |> > best
|> > |> >
|> > |> > P
|> > |> >
|> > |> >
|> > |> >
|> > |> >
|> > |> >
|> > |> > |> --- Patrick Connolly <p.connolly@hortresearch.co.nz> wrote:
|> > |> > |> > On Mon, 10-Jun-2002 at 11:52PM -0700, Lionel Lecoq wrote:
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |> I am afraid the XF86Config-4 files are only supplied by a couple of
|> > |> > |> > |> distributions (RH for instance) because they provide BOTH 3.3.6 and
|> > |> > |> > |> 4.x.x. As a consequence it is not a standard and is probably only
|> > |> > |> > |> documented (if at all) in those distributions. As an aside, I am
|> > |> > |> > |> surprised to find out that The files in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 are
|> > |> > |> > |> used: on one of my PC I am running RH 7.1 with both 3.3.6 and 4.x.x
|> > |> > |> > |> (depending on the user id, with 3.3.6 I get acceleration not with
|> > |> > |> > |> 4.x.x -its an old PC) in my case, I doubt very much that anything
|> > |> > |> > |> else than what is in /etc/X11 is used...
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > Could it just be that it's detail not tidied up properly?
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |> Anyhow, If you are using only one version why not copy the relevant
|> > |> > |> > |> file onto the other.
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > Basically because I don't know what I'm doing yet. I was hoping to
|> > |> > |> > find documentation to rectify the matter. I wanted to be able to
|> > |> > |> > change the vertical refresh rate (and by implication, the dot clock)
|> > |> > |> > and I wanted to find out the most koshur way of doing it.
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > The RedHat docs tell me:
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > <quote>
|> > |> > |> > First, see which version of X you are running. Type this command:
|> > |> > |> > ls -l /etc/X11/X
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > If it is linked to a file that has XF86 in the name (such as
|> > |> > |> > /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVGA) then you are using XFree86 3.3.x. If the
|> > |> > |> > file that it is linked to is XFree86 then you are using XFree86 4.x.
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > If you are running 3.3.x, look at the file /etc/X11/XF86Config. If
|> > |> > |> > your are running 4, then look at /etc/X11/XF86Config-4...... {That was
|> > |> > |> > to do with looking for color depth, but the same applies to modelines.]
|> > |> > |> > </quote>
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > This gives contradictory information. According to this, I'm running
|> > |> > |> > XFree86 4.x, but my system can't be using the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
|> > |> > |> > file because it doesn't cover the resolution I am using -- that
|> > |> > |> > information MUST be coming from the XF86Config file. So, until I
|> > |> > |> > understand what is meant to be going on, I'm a bit reticent to be very
|> > |> > |> > adventurous.
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > best
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > P
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |>
|> > |> > |> > |>
|> > |> > |> > |> --- Patrick Connolly <p.connolly@hortresearch.co.nz> wrote:
|> > |> > |> > |> > Contrary to what people tell me, it seems to be certain that
|> > |> > |> > |> > XF86Config files are still necessary since the XF86Config-4 is too
|> > |> > |> > |> > sparse. Is there documentation that covers how these files are
|> > |> > |> > |> > linked?
|> > |> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |> > I'm finding it confusing to work out why /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config
|> > |> > |> > |> > links to /etc/X11/XF86Config, not /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 when the new
|> > |> > |> > |> > format is ostensibly taken care of in the -4 file.
|> > |> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |> > Points to docs, please. The HOW-TOs don't seem to cover it.
|> > |> > |> > |> >
|> > |> > |> > |> > best
|> > |> > |> > |> >
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