Just for future reference Dotan Cohen I am a person who provides support in #winehq on freenode. I have to deal with these problems from time to time with the codeweaver + wine relationship. I don't have registration with the wineusers mailing list since I get over 200 emails a day from my current mailing lists so I use the forum. Even I could have made a mistake and missed something important I would expect Dan Kegel or others to pull me up on it. Yes the information was on the other side of the link. Problem you can never trust user to go there and read it. I have been using wine since 1995. I would never normally attempt to insult Dan Kegel. Only reason is that we would have lost our cool with each other and would need cooling off. That would require a complete different of option. I was in the wine-users mailing list under a different name that account is now no more. Sorry to say I am a blunt person my writing style reflects this. So sometimes I appear lot more insulting than what I am trying to be.