Dan, you contradict yourself. First you want a forum so bad that everyone starts running like a chicken with cut-off head to make that happen. Now you saying it's bad?! So far I've seen only two-four snubs who think they are supper-duper advanced users who don't want to talk about anything but "advanced" topics. For me those people are welcome to leave and open their own forum, mailing list whatever. Oh, and if they thought that wine-users ML was "advanced" - THEY ARE WRONG. You just had no one to point out how wrong most of the answers were. If anyone thinks they are too smart to answer dumb questions - don't answer them. Mark the thread as read and move on. If that's even too much - then don't pretend being a part of the community - leave and no one will even notice. This topics have to end. 1. We are not going to separate forum from ML (in few month there won't be any need - as there are would be much more forum users then active ML posters). 2. No one will be creating special area for advanced users. If you are so advance - be a developer or evaluate your knowledge about Wine. 3. Noise to signal ratio - BS count the number of all posts 2 months ago and now. I'll tell you that in an entire month there was max 10 replys worth reading.