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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wine based "Windows desktop" (James E. LaBarre)
2. Re: Re: Delphi Application (Ubirat? Silva)
3. Re: Delphi Application (Joris Huizer)
4. Re: Wine based "Windows desktop" (Hans Christian Studt)
5. Re: Wine based "Windows desktop" (Hans Christian Studt)
6. Re: Wine based "Windows desktop" (Joris Huizer)
7. RE: Wine based "Windows desktop" (Richard Elswick)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:25:50 EST
From: "James E. LaBarre" <jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Wine based "Windows desktop"
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43cd36ae.e8ed.0@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows XP
desktop, you could either make a special window manager that responds as
much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be loads of work) --
or just use one of the window managers for which there are themes to
make desktop similar to the XP one
I've looked at this problem too, except I'm trying to duplicate a Windows
2000 desktop. There's *plenty* of XP-like themes, but not much for Win2K.
I'm planning ahead for when I can (finally) move my brother's system to
Linux, and he's a picky user who hates it if I even re-arrange his icons,
so I figure I'd want to make a desktop almost identical to what he has in
2K now.
Ultimately, the most critical app is also the most impossible to find a
native *or* Wine-compatible replacement for, namely an eBay offline
auction
posting tool.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:21:06 -0200
From: Ubirat? Silva <ubiratamuniz@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: Delphi Application
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <3497f3500601171121h7c9d6b4cg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
friends,
I'm also from Brazil, but this is an international list and we should
write only in English for a matter of respect to the other
subscribers. If you need to send a reply in Portuguese, please send
the reply directly to the receiver.
Thanks,
Bira
(traduzindo)
amigos,
também sou do Brasil, mas esta é uma lista internacional e deveríamos
escrever apenas em inglês, por uma questão de respeito aos outros
assinantes. Se precisam enviar respostas em Português, por favor a
enviem diretamente ao destinatário.
Abraços,
Bira
Em 01/01/06, Bruno<cbruno@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escreveu:
---------- Mensagem reenviada ----------
Subject: Re: Delphi Application
Date: Dom 01 Jan 2006 14:32
From: Bruno <cbruno@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Cc: truls@xxxxxxxxx
Olah Angelo Braga, tambem estou no Brasil, e meu ingles eh pessimo,
Acho que sei qual o problema com seus icones!
Jah tive um problema parecido, e resolvi instalando fontes TrueType
Originais, as que tem no c:\windows\fonts, e o problema foi resolvido.
Um grande abraco, e boa sorte
Se resolver, poste esta mensagem em ingles pros nossos amogos da lista
tambem
usufruirem ok!
Bye!
Charles Bruno da Silva - Garanhuns - PE - Brazil
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:36:20 +0100
From: Truls Asheim <truls@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delphi Application.
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43CCE4C4.4060302@xxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Angelo Braga wrote:
>Friends,
>
>Sorry my english, i'am speaking from brazil. I have a problem with an
>delphi application running on wine 0.93. The application open exactly,
>but the buttons not it appears correctly. I send the link of screenshot:
>
>http://200.195.11.195/~prolinx/screen01.jpg
>
>any help is coming well.
>
>Thanks!!!
>Angelo Braga
>
Try using native comctl32
$ WINEDLLOVERRIDE="comctl32=n" wine <your app>
Remember to copy native comctl32.dll and commctrl.dll files to <wine
fake c:>/windows/system32
Regards
Truls Asheim
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:07:29 +0100
From: Joris Huizer <jorishuizer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Delphi Application
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43CD4E81.2070104@xxxxxxxxx>
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Ubiratã Silva wrote:
friends,
I'm also from Brazil, but this is an international list and we should
write only in English for a matter of respect to the other
subscribers. If you need to send a reply in Portuguese, please send
the reply directly to the receiver.
Thanks,
Bira
(traduzindo)
Also, you will probably get more feedback if you write in English
regards,
Joris
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:11:22 +0100
From: Hans Christian Studt <hcstudt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Wine based "Windows desktop"
To: jamesl@xxxxxxxxxxx, wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43CD4F6A.60002@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
James E. LaBarre wrote:
In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows XP
desktop, you could either make a special window manager that responds as
much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be loads of work) --
or just use one of the window managers for which there are themes to
make desktop similar to the XP one
I've looked at this problem too, except I'm trying to duplicate a Windows
2000 desktop. There's *plenty* of XP-like themes, but not much for Win2K.
I'm planning ahead for when I can (finally) move my brother's system to
Linux, and he's a picky user who hates it if I even re-arrange his icons,
so I figure I'd want to make a desktop almost identical to what he has in
2K now.
I was not really concerned with the themes - that I beleave is just
cream on the top to make it taske more like windows.
My question is - do we have/need a wine-disktop within the existing
KDE/GNOME-desktop ?
Ultimately, the most critical app is also the most impossible to find a
native *or* Wine-compatible replacement for, namely an eBay offline
auction
posting tool.
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:19:47 +0100
From: Hans Christian Studt <hcstudt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Wine based "Windows desktop"
To: thadden@xxxxxx, wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx, sslug-teknik@xxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43CD5163.6010607@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Joachim von Thadden wrote:
Am Mo, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:48:53 +0100 schrieb Hans Christian Studt:
I think this would allow more users to try out wine using the familar
windows gui interface.
Next step would be to install simple windows applications all within the
familar windows environmet
I don't understand where this leads to:
I am just trying to find out what version 1.0 or 2.0 of wine is supposed
to provide when it comes to end user facing functionallity.
If you want to use Windows just do it!
I believe wine is for people who need to use Windows application, so I
am not sure what your point is.
If you buy a new car do you want to look it like your old one?
Same as above.
No, you just want it to have pedals and a steering-wheel. The rest will
look different but will do the same as in your old one.
OK, the theming, style etc. can be KDE og GNOME or some other that are
available under linux.
If needed I will implement a menu structure like a windows START-menu.
And I am sure you don't want to use your old seats.
It is the old applications I want.
Most users want application access not specific OS or API.
Make yourself familiar with the
new ones and have fun with them. It's not so hard.
Done that since Altos in the late 80's
Regards
Joachim von Thadden
The following is a brain-dump of some of my thoughts.
My sister have 1 daughter (7 years) and 2 boys (5 years) and for the
past 3 years I have provided then with a dual boot system.
During that time they have had great fun running both windows and linux
games.
They have no problem controlling the boot process, and often boot direct
into linux even though windows boot are the default.
It is funny to see them typing away while the linux boot proceeds.
They play linux games like tuxracer, snakes, stones, tuxmath, tuxtype
and a lot others I can not remember. I have even rebuild some of the
games to make the levels easier since not all are in Danish.
I Denmark there are some very popular and educatinal windows games
called "Magnus og Myggen" that may soon be able to work with wine.
A am sure there are other windows programs that they will need to use in
the future.
I am also pretty sure that they will not be able to install these
windows programs with wine by them self any time soon.
I do not think that it will require much deep wine programming to
improve the process of installing windows games and other programs in
wine and as wine aproaches 1.0 it may even be required.
I would like to help out with that side of the wine project.
It is from that corner of the world that I ask what are the current
process of installing a program or application (let say game-setup.exe)
with wine.
Will it provide a KDE/GNOME-desktop icon and/or a menu group and item ?
Would it make sense to have a wine-desktop inside the KDE/GNOME-desktop
where the wine installation and action took place ?
The thing is that I think that am too much a *nix guy, to be able to
help out with implementing wine/windows API functionality.
I hope some of this makes sense.
Tschüss
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Mobile +45 29 23 54 14
hc[AT]studt[DOT]dk http://hc.studt.dk
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:48:51 +0100
From: Joris Huizer <jorishuizer@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Wine based "Windows desktop"
To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <43CD5833.4090201@xxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
Hans Christian Studt wrote:
In case you really want an environment feeling just like the windows
XP desktop, you could either make a special window manager that
responds as much like that windows desktop as possible (that'd be
loads of work) -- or just use one of the window managers for which
there are themes to make desktop similar to the XP one (for instance,
KDE comes pretty close I thought, when configured to use windows-like
looks and behaviours)
It's up to the user to choose to use that window manager and/or theme,
ofcourse
Is that what are needed if I want a wine-desktop within the
KDE/GNOME-desktop - like there is a QEMU-desktop or a rdesktop within he
KDE/GNOME-desktop.
Don't know -- was just saying that's a solution to fine-tune every
single detail -- but if just using a -sort-of-like-windows desktop is
okay than you choose a KDE/whatever theme to decorate windows to look
like XP
(I think KDE or GNOME can be configured to use a window manager other
than the standard one -- but that'd boil down to the same as designing
your own window manager)
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:23:35 -0500
From: "Richard Elswick" <relswick@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Wine based "Windows desktop"
To: <wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
<2C7100720056A2408E0DC6795A5CDF0A9943A5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I am coming to the discussion late as I am new to this list, but are you
referring to something more along the line of a front end user interface
to Wine, similar to what Cedaga has done with WineX?
Rich Elswick
Test Engineer
Cobasys LLC
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From: wine-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wine-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Hans Christian Studt
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 3:20 PM
To: thadden@xxxxxx; wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx; sslug-teknik@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Wine based "Windows desktop"
Joachim von Thadden wrote:
Am Mo, Jan 16, 2006 at 09:48:53 +0100 schrieb Hans Christian Studt:
I think this would allow more users to try out wine using the familar
windows gui interface.
Next step would be to install simple windows applications all within
the familar windows environmet
I don't understand where this leads to:
I am just trying to find out what version 1.0 or 2.0 of wine is supposed
to provide when it comes to end user facing functionallity.
If you want to use Windows just do it!
I believe wine is for people who need to use Windows application, so I am
not sure what your point is.
If you buy a new car do you want to look it like your old one?
Same as above.
No, you just want it to have pedals and a steering-wheel. The rest will
look different but will do the same as in your old one.
OK, the theming, style etc. can be KDE og GNOME or some other that are
available under linux.
If needed I will implement a menu structure like a windows START-menu.
And I am sure you don't want to use your old seats.
It is the old applications I want.
Most users want application access not specific OS or API.
Make yourself familiar with the
new ones and have fun with them. It's not so hard.
Done that since Altos in the late 80's
Regards
Joachim von Thadden
The following is a brain-dump of some of my thoughts.
My sister have 1 daughter (7 years) and 2 boys (5 years) and for the past
3 years I have provided then with a dual boot system.
During that time they have had great fun running both windows and linux
games.
They have no problem controlling the boot process, and often boot direct
into linux even though windows boot are the default.
It is funny to see them typing away while the linux boot proceeds.
They play linux games like tuxracer, snakes, stones, tuxmath, tuxtype and
a lot others I can not remember. I have even rebuild some of the games to
make the levels easier since not all are in Danish.
I Denmark there are some very popular and educatinal windows games called
"Magnus og Myggen" that may soon be able to work with wine.
A am sure there are other windows programs that they will need to use in
the future.
I am also pretty sure that they will not be able to install these windows
programs with wine by them self any time soon.
I do not think that it will require much deep wine programming to improve
the process of installing windows games and other programs in wine and as
wine aproaches 1.0 it may even be required.
I would like to help out with that side of the wine project.
It is from that corner of the world that I ask what are the current
process of installing a program or application (let say game-setup.exe)
with wine.
Will it provide a KDE/GNOME-desktop icon and/or a menu group and item ?
Would it make sense to have a wine-desktop inside the KDE/GNOME-desktop
where the wine installation and action took place ?
The thing is that I think that am too much a *nix guy, to be able to help
out with implementing wine/windows API functionality.
I hope some of this makes sense.
Tschüss
--
Mvh Hans Christian Studt
Mobile +45 29 23 54 14
hc[AT]studt[DOT]dk http://hc.studt.dk
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