lawson_whitney@juno.com wrote in message news:<20011130.195615.134657512.5.lawson_whitney@juno.com>... > On 30 Nov 2001, Stuart Blake Tener wrote: > > > WINE users: > > > > Hi, I am new to wine, and am getting ready to try to test it and get > > started. > > These questions may seem basic, but any assistance would be well > > appreciated. > > > > a) What configuration file (basic or standard) do I need to bring it > > up? > > I don't understand the question. each wine user needs a configuration > file ~/.wine/config to tell wine how it is to behave when run for that > user. Well, I am sorry you have trouble understanding the basic question, but perhaps I can state what I am looking for in a different way. Most software packages have some sort of standard or basic configuration file, which is used with them. Since Mandrake comes with the package installed already, I cannot locate it, and was looking for an example of a file with most things in it I would need. Sorry if I was unclear, hopefully this will clarify it for you. > > > > b) I have Mandrake 8.1, and I typed "wine" and got a response back > > about command line options, so I beleive it to be installed, any idea > > what Mandrake RPMs I need to be assured are there for it to work? > > The wine rpm that came with Mandrake 7.2 was missing regapi and > winedefault.reg, which are essential to normal working of wine. > I don't know it they have since gotten somebody who knows what it is > doing to make their wine rpm's and I am not holding my breath until they > do. Generally, you will do better with wine if you get the source and > build it yourself. It has some nice tools to help you, but you must > take responsibility to give it what it needs. (a full set of software > development tools and the -devel package for every library you want it > to use.) Well I dont see the reason to sit and go through the whole trouble of building a package, if it is supposed to be supplied and working already. Since you dont know about Mandrake 8.1, and that IS what I have (not 7.2), then perhaps some other Mandake 8.1 users will comment on this. I am curious what the state of of the Wine RPM is that comes with Mandrake 8.1. > > > c) I have been told Wine works best with Windows "installed". I am > > Who told you that? I don't agree. I read some postings indicating that using Windows DLLs would implement more features (of the DLLs), and work better with their software. Do a google search of "DLL WINDOWS WINE WORKS BETTER", you'll find out whom said it. > > > okay with installing windows, as my goal is to start off by keeping > > everything in a Linux partitioin for now, and not needing to run two > > different OSes at once. > > Dependability is a must for me, as I use business applications for > > business work. If I choose to have windows installed, must I make a > > Then you don't want to use microsoft applications, either. I dont care how much you or anyone wants to just bash microsoft (personally I dont care for them), but I have customers whom demand (and pay me) to connect and use their Microsoft based networks and exchange servers. Thus, I am forced to use those applications, including calendaring and other functions. So until such time as Microsoft Outlook has been duplicated as a client for Exchange server with a level of compatibility that approaches what Outlook does now, or other Microsoft applications your arrogance as to the reality of world is not going to be taken very seriously by anyone. Beleive me, if there were a Linux version of Office which ran natively under Linux, I would use it. However, I (and my clients) have PST files and other Exchange Server specific things which must be leveraged. If you tell me to tell my customers to get off Exchange Server, then you have no clue as to how business works or what compells IT departments to do things, no one will spend money on that level of retraining and migration when everything for them works just fine. The main point is this, I need to find a solution, not because I agree with the choice, but because someone is paying me to find a solution for the way they wish to continue doing business, not because I like it or not. I am in need of using Microsoft applications, I am trying to run them under Linux if possible. > > > seperate partition for it and such? or can I somehow run wine to > > install Windows into a unix directory, and then use Wine and Windows > > together from that point forward? > > No, no, no. Wine does _not_ run windows. If you want something that > runs windows, get vmware or win4lin, but be aware that these run windows > - in a virtual machine, so it is maybe less generally harmful, but with > all the bugs you have come to know and love. Also slow. Win4Lin maybe the solution. I dont like the VMware solutions for some several reasons, mainly, I dont need Windows all the time, and would rather to have all my Windows files in the same ReiserFS partition as my Linux stuff. The only draw back (for me right now) to Win4Lin is that it does not run the new Microsoft OSes (which I presume it will soon), if it does then I will use it. I am also watching BOCHS to see when and if it will reliably run W2K or XP, but I feel they are a good year or two away from a real business quality level of product. > > Wine runs windows application programs. It can install the more > cooperative of these into a unix directory, and run them there. I > haven't gotten anything that uses the latest InstallSh**** to install > yet, although there have been some reported successes. Well, running the Windows applications without windows is quite entriuging. > > > > d) how well does Quckbooks run under WINE? > > > > e) how well does Office 2000 run under WINE (Word, Excel, and Outlook > > to be specific)? > > > We give you wine so you can have windows without microsoft, and what do > you want to do with it? Why, run microsoft applications, of course. > Good luck. Wine doesn't make any special effort to prevent this from > working, but microsoft makes every effort it can think of to prevent it. > The newer microsoft applications are booby-trapped against being run by > any sane OS. Then for the most part, WINE is of no use to at least the greater segment of my customer base, whom have already committed much time, training resources, and money to Microsoft software. That will not change anytime soon, so they cannot use Linux for the moment then to resolve this isssue. Someone else also posted that WINE is ALPHA software, which even absent all the issues contained herein above, is reason enough for me not to recommend it to anyone. A public domain version of something like Win4Lin which supports new Microsoft OSes would be exactly what I am looking for. Stuart Beverly Hills, CA
